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Ive been playing around with my RX 5700XT and it seems to be a great card, especially for the price.  I can OC it decently but much over 2000mhz it doesn't seem to add much do to temp.  The memory I can max at 925-950mhz which from what I read is rare.  The core temp is under 70c and usually around 65c but the "hot spot or junction" gets up to 110c with OC and hovers around 100c with a mild OC.  This will throttle the card at that point.  It not like there is an issue as most cards will hit this, just it needs to be under water to really unleash the true potential.  BFV runs smoother and just as many frames as my RTX 2080.  Even though the RTX 2080 does the same frames... the 5700xt runs better and literally can tell and feels less choppy.   Im running the same settings.  

 

Issues:  This one is known but if you use MSI afterburner and try to use custom fan curve, it will make the screen flicker.  Another issue I ran into a few times is running less intensive games like World of Warships, it will sometimes try to jump the clocks way too high, like 2400mhz which will crash the game.. possibly since I had afterburner running so testing without it running.  Its strange since that game usually runs really low clocks as it just doesn't need a lot of gpu.  

 

My hope was to be able to get 9500 graphics score with Timespy and I have been able to get this with ~2050mhz core and 950mhz memory.  Firestrike it does really well but cant match the VII or 2080 still:  

Timespy:  https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/8679648/spy/8030996

FS:  https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/20068095/fs/20572601

 

Ill probably end up replacing the TIM to see if that helps some but really it is running well and seems they built it into it to hit those temps to give best clocks and noise level, this was a good article:  https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/296577-why-110-degree-temps-are-normal-for-amds-radeon-5700-5700-xt

 

Edit:  Running BFV for hours at stock settings gives 65c with junction usually under 90c.  That give around 1875 to 1925mhz on the core.  That is with fan on auto or 1950rpm gaming.  

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5700xt vs 2080 both OC'ed Metro Exodus:

 

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This card Im quite happy with.  For 1440p gaming and being close to more expensive cards, its a good buy.  Really think I should have got the 5700 and did the bios mod.  Just wish I could play with the fan profile without the flickering.  Im sure that will be fixed eventually.   BFV runs really good and Metro runs good... I didn't run ray with either of those games when I have 2080 as it is taxing so just another reason why it didnt hurt much for me to down grade. 

 

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Gigabyte released a new bios for my card that give +500rpm on the fan.  Ive been doing lots of testing and comparing different results for temp, junction temp, volts and clocks.   Basically, if I set higher than 20% on power limit, then it will hit junction temp quicker and will fluctuate the core and volts more.  Ive tested with Firestrike stress test that does 20 loops which give you gaming boosts.

 

Red highlight is stock:

Core:  1800 to 1900mhz, lots of fluctuation.

Volts:  never reach 1.2v

Power:  0% offset

Core temp: 67c

Junction:  under 95c

 

Yellow highlight:

Core:  1920mhz to 1965mhz,  very little fluctuation and usually around 1950mhz

Volts:  1.181 to 1.2v little fluctuation

Power:  +20%

Core temp: 72c

Junction:  under 105 to 109c

 

Green highlight:

Core:  1900mhz to 1964mhz, fluctuation

Volts:  1.16 to 1.2v  fluctuation

Power:  +15%

Core temp: 71c

Junction:  under 105 to 109c

 

20-1900-temp.png

 

It seems for this card to get the most consistent core clock, mainly due to temp of junction, +20% on the power is the best.  This runs the core the closest to my target  gaming clock of 1950mhz.   It also allows for the voltage to run much flatter.  Over +20% power just means Ill hit 110c on junction, but +20% is 105 - 109c most of the time and basically the thermal limit before measures kick in to cool it. 

 

Sure I can do +50% on power and run the core clock higher but it will jump all over the place for core mhz once it heats up.  +50% is great for short runs like benchmarking as it will not get that hot for too long so it will run the +2050mhz.  It is when you try to do anything longer, like gaming, that it will cause much more drops in clocks.  I find that the yellow to be the overall best for everyday on this particular card.  If I had it under water, I could get the junction down and probably run it closer to 2100mhz without fluctuations but I dont think it will be much of a performance gain in real world, probably under 5%, more like 3%.  Glad GB released this bios update for a bit higher fan profile as Afterburner and Wattman just do not work right when trying to mess with fan profiles.  Any really cheap waterblocks for this card?  Everything Ive seen just doesn't seem worth it being over $100 US.  At that point I should have got a 2070 super, so that is why I hesitate to even get a block.  Maybe a universal?  But would again need to be cheap or second hand....

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What about 30% with 1.18v set?

What program are you using to test load as different programs and higher FPS will increase power draw and make the card behave differently.

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Hmmm I'll try that volt as I'm running lower clock and should not need as much.  Using FireStrike extreme stress test. I'll try 2000mhz to at 30% and 1.18v too. 

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So, I tried 1.181v with 30% @ 2000mhz and looked great thru much of the run but ended up crashing.  Volts and clocks were stable with junction reaching 104-108c... It was worth a try, thx for mentioning Dasa 🙂

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Fairly close to the edge but may be ok with another .005v-.01v at least in firestrike.

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So I figured I go ahead and replace the tim. 

 

PCB:

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VRM:

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Heatsink:

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Then I saw these horrible grooves....  Couldn't believe how rough it was!

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I couldn't just put tim on, I knew I would be taking it off again if I did.  2hrs later using 2000 and 1500 grit, it was all I had, there is still some lite scratches, but i would need to take off quite a bit more to get those.  There was two really bad machine marks going thru the center area...  At least it is smooth now and doesn't grab with my nail....

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How much this has helped, I don't know yet.  Been awhile since I had to lap anything.  Nearly the same cooler as what was on the 2080, but I guess the tooling was getting to the point of needing replaced, well at least imho.

Same but the 5700xt is slightly thicker:

 

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Edit.. WOW!  Junction is down a solid 20c!  It is most the time around 90 to 89c, it hit 93 for like a second running higher clocks.  This is running the 50mhz higher than "yellow" setting in my previous tests:

FireStrike Extreme Stress Test 20 loops. 

Core:  ~2000mhz (Setting it to 2060mhz runs load around 50mhz less),  very little fluctuation 

Volts:  1.181 to 1.2v little fluctuation

Power:  +20%

Core temp: 70c max 68 to 69c mostly

Junction:  mostly 90c or less, a few jumps but not much.  

 

The only bad is the memory is 2c higher at times.. possibly the pads were not put back on perfectly.  Super happy with results but now I need to retest everything 🙂

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Edit 2:  Seems like the tim is really working in now after a few runs.  Im running out of time today to test much more but lapping really helped, wish I did it sooner!

 

FireStrike Extreme Stress Test 20 loops. 

Core:  ~2050mhz (Setting it to 2100mhz runs load around 50mhz less),  very little fluctuation 

Volts:  1.2v solid

Power:  +50%

Core temp: 70c max 68 to 69c mostly

Junction:  mostly 91c or less, a few jumps but not much.

 

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Yea, it almost appears that it was near the end of the life for that mill's teeth... Still really surprise at how much that helped, possibly mount pressure and TIM helped too.  Looks like Ive reached the limit of the chip at around 2070mhz stable before crashes.  For now Im just going to keep it at 2025mhz with +30% powerlimit,  as this is the sweet spot.   It will run about the same temps as stress testing but will fluctuate to seemingly to maintain 70c core and 90c junction.  Still having some driver issues when trying to manually set the fan curve so I just let it do its thing but thought it was interesting how the fan was curving differently than stress tests as games do not stress it as hard.  I see the fan kicks on in games up to 50%, temps will start to fall, fan curve would lower and repeat.   Id like to be able to kick the fan curve to 50% at 60c and just let it run cool as 50% fan is low noise level.   I might just lap all heatsinks moving forward, definitely need some lower grit to start off with or you spend hours like I did 😕 

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RX5500 4GB vs 1650 Super 4GB looks like they go toe to toe fairly well although Nvidia has a small efficiency advantage despite the older process node especially due to the bug with current AMD GPU with high multi monitor idle power use.

AMD is running a higher speed GDDR6 1750MHz vs 1500MHz

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-1650-super/27.html

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AMD 5500XT! It's a bit overpriced. If you have RX580/90 keep it.

 

 

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9 hours ago, SceptreCore said:

The cost makes it a pile of junk.

 

To make things worse, RX580 and RX590 are being sold at a discount to get rid of stock so it's not even viable to get one - ignoring the nVidia alternatives.

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On 12/16/2019 at 7:05 AM, Jeruselem said:

 

To make things worse, RX580 and RX590 are being sold at a discount to get rid of stock so it's not even viable to get one - ignoring the nVidia alternatives.

I think you'll find that this explains why it's a silly price. No one would buy remaining RX500 series stock if the 5500 was undercutting it. I hope that's it anyway.

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17 hours ago, SceptreCore said:

Vega is better in low power packages.

 

At least it wasn't Polaris.

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Shame there is no talk of new high end GPU at ces just the 5600XT which should be a decent competitor for Nvidia low-mid range just a little late.

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