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Vote Australia's Trump... PALMER!!!!! (like fuck)

Not just Sreep in Hollywood Leo, many actors have been railing against Trump, you want charisma, get a cadre of popular actors on your side. I can't really think of an actor making big noise about Trump, even Charlton Heston has been quiet. Angelina Jolie springs to mind as very anti-Tump and she is an emergent political force herself.

Gerrymandering can go on in the U.S. but their system sort of boggles the mind, mostly because of State borders and internal counties. They also only redistribute ever few censuses but I'm not really clear on how it can make THAT much difference ,in some states it would be spot the Democrat regardless - the old lines of North and South still run deep.

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

Not just Sreep in Hollywood Leo, many actors have been railing against Trump, you want charisma, get a cadre of popular actors on your side. 

Every actor and actress was against Trump in 2016.

You’re making the classic mistake of who you think people listen to.

 

Progressives listen to actors, the media and experts in pet fields.

Conservatives listen to their friends and people who are useful to them.

Actors and actresses have no impact on Trump because his voters don’t care what some pedophile-protector, racist or rapist from Hollywood thinks.

What’s more - #meToo has damaged credibility of Hollywood in the eyes of sane middle-ground independents and Democrats. Like who’s going to care when some holier-than-thou booster of Roman Polanski says Trump is evil incarnate?

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We'll see Leo, we'll see.

Hollywood has more clout than you might believe but agree the place can be VERY corrupt,  almost as bad as... Washington...

In a world where an ageing actor was once the President, where a divorced Hollywood actress is married to a member of the British Royal family who is in line for the throne, well down, but in the line, anything is possible.

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15 minutes ago, chrisg said:

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We'll see Leo, we'll see.

Hollywood has more clout than you might believe but agree the place can be VERY corrupt,  almost as bad as... Washington...

In a world where an ageing actor was once the President, where a divorced Hollywood actress is married to a member of the British Royal family who is in line for the throne, well down, but in the line, anything is possible.

Cheers

 

Though to be fair, there are more prominent black people in Washington, fewer rapists and now that the pizzagate conspiracy is done - apparently fewer child molesters.

 

I’m curious Chris... when was the last time you talked or gathered the mood of Americans in flyover country?

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Hmm,

Have lived in the U.S. a few times, have online and real life friends in San Francisco, Chicago, Cleveland, Austin, Dallas, NYC, Washington, Boston, Seattle, L.A. Most all of them I've met in their homes, spent a month in Cleveland a few years back, spent weekends in Chicago, Dayton and NYC that time.

At one time or another I've been most everywhere in the States I guess, some of it really doesn't change much and nor do attitudes.

Did a classic "Vanishing Point" car delivery one time after a stint in NYC that meant I ended up in L.A. Went via the deep south, that was an eye-opener  🙂

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Picking up on Leonid 's comment 're Hollywood and actor's influence ... The industry appears to be suffering in the popularity stakes of late. A goodly portion of that will definitely be due to the #me too stuff as well as the louder political chat, I reckon. It might be in Hollywood's better interests to curb it's loud and prolific political noise in light of good business... Just sayin'

I don't choose a show to view based on the politics of those in it or producing it. Having said that I will not laud or profer that piece of cowardly scum known as Polanski 

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The last 2, maybe 3 generations born are of the MeeToo variety, jumping on the nearest popular bandwagon or actor's soapbox issue.  So don't underestimate the Hollywood power.

The problem with idealists - their perfect world scenerio only works if everyone does what you want them too.  Which doesn't work in the real world, or at least not in a free democracy.

The system they need is totalitarism - but of course even if they know that they never reveal it.

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5 hours ago, chrisg said:

Hmm,

Have lived in the U.S. a few times, have online and real life friends in San Francisco, Chicago, Cleveland, Austin, Dallas, NYC, Washington, Boston, Seattle, L.A. Most all of them I've met in their homes, spent a month in Cleveland a few years back, spent weekends in Chicago, Dayton and NYC that time.

At one time or another I've been most everywhere in the States I guess, some of it really doesn't change much and nor do attitudes.

Did a classic "Vanishing Point" car delivery one time after a stint in NYC that meant I ended up in L.A. Went via the deep south, that was an eye-opener  🙂

Cheers

 

 

The smallest of those I believe is Cleveland. I’ve only driven through/past it on the way from NY to IL.

But from memory it’s around Canberra size. It’s also not really flyover country.

I’m talking about the really small places - ones without international airports.

That’s where’s trump wins, Hollywood doesn’t matter and socialism is a swear word.

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1 hour ago, Leonid said:

The smallest of those I believe is Cleveland. I’ve only driven through/past it on the way from NY to IL.

But from memory it’s around Canberra size. It’s also not really flyover country.

I’m talking about the really small places - ones without international airports.

That’s where’s trump wins, Hollywood doesn’t matter and socialism is a swear word.

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You are in the same industry as me Leo, although travel and aviation have also taken me to the States. and two family holidays but none of those would be likely to take me to buttfuck Idaho.

You are probably right, inbred rednecks straight out of  Deliverance country would most likely think Trump was an intelligent choice.

I've driven through a lot of those sort of places but have rarely stopped except for fuel and food - the latter usually pretty shitty.

Somehow I doubt Trump spends much time in the backwoods either, not with his phobias 🙂

I guess the folks out in those neck of the woods just get their opinions from television and radio, not too much campaign fodder to be had, Amtrak hardly suits the whistle-stop tours of yore 🙂

Really if you are right it just shows again the stupidity of the political system in the U.S. Like it or not the mass population centres are the real heart and future of America, not wide spots in the road.

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

Like it or not the mass population centres are the real heart and future of America

Where are they going to get their power, manufactured goods, milk and other food from?

You don't have to go to buttfuck Idaho 🙂

There's a crapload of counties that voted for Obama AND for Trump. Only one that did it in a landslide for both. So unless inbred rednecks voted for Obama, these same people voted for Trump.

 

Do yourself a favour - here's a very interesting read: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-county-in-america-that-voted-in-a-landslide-for-both-trump-and-obama/

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57 minutes ago, fliptopia said:

That's one of the better articles I've read on the matter. Summed things up nicely. 

Precisely. In summary - if Dems want to win, they need to appeal to centrist working classes in flyover country.

Progressives will vote for them anyway and growing the progressive vote in deep blue counties == fuck all use.

 

So in fact, it doesn't actually matter that Sanders beats the rest of the field. What matters is that someone out of the rest of the field beats Sanders everywhere where Trump also beats Sanders.

The election isn't going to be won by appeasing to the community of trans-mermaid differently-abled lesbians with a a bung leg and of Cherokee and Inuit ancestry that were abused as children.

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6 hours ago, Rybags said:

The last 2, maybe 3 generations born are of the MeeToo variety, jumping on the nearest popular bandwagon or actor's soapbox issue.  So don't underestimate the Hollywood power.

The problem with idealists - their perfect world scenerio only works if everyone does what you want them too.  Which doesn't work in the real world, or at least not in a free democracy.

The system they need is totalitarism - but of course even if they know that they never reveal it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-15/oscars-in-ads-george-clooney-brad-pitt-robert-de-niro-hit-out/10817644

a couple of excerpts from the link ...

" In an effort to shorten its telecast and win back viewers after a record-low 26.5 million people watched in 2018, the Academy decided to present four statues during ad breaks. "

" The controversy was another blow for an organisation that is trying to rejuvenate a broadcast that has been bleeding viewers since a strong 2014, dropping in numbers every year until 2018's all-time low. "

 

^^ Seems to me the general public is for a change, not overestimating the Hollywood power ...maybe, perhaps, I hope so ;)

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18 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Precisely. In summary - if Dems want to win, they need to appeal to centrist working classes in flyover country.

Progressives will vote for them anyway and growing the progressive vote in deep blue counties == fuck all use.

 

So in fact, it doesn't actually matter that Sanders beats the rest of the field. What matters is that someone out of the rest of the field beats Sanders everywhere where Trump also beats Sanders.

The election isn't going to be won by appeasing to the community of trans-mermaid differently-abled lesbians with a a bung leg and of Cherokee and Inuit ancestry that were abused as children.

Well not when, as you say, they already have that vote. But at the same time you don't want to lose that vote. At least not lose it badly. 

1 minute ago, eveln said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-15/oscars-in-ads-george-clooney-brad-pitt-robert-de-niro-hit-out/10817644

a couple of excerpts from the link ...

" In an effort to shorten its telecast and win back viewers after a record-low 26.5 million people watched in 2018, the Academy decided to present four statues during ad breaks. "

" The controversy was another blow for an organisation that is trying to rejuvenate a broadcast that has been bleeding viewers since a strong 2014, dropping in numbers every year until 2018's all-time low. "

 

^^ Seems to me the general public is for a change, not overestimating the Hollywood power ...maybe, perhaps, I hope so 😉

I think there's enough going on these days that people don't care enough to watch a group of people congratulate each other. I never understood it anyway. It's their industry night. 

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4 minutes ago, fliptopia said:

I think there's enough going on these days that people don't care enough to watch a group of people congratulate each other. I never understood it anyway. It's their industry night. 

Mmm well yes, but when life is too shit /serious,  we use films etc. and those involved as an escape from the tedium. It was just five years past that record millions tuned in ...

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8 minutes ago, fliptopia said:

But at the same time you don't want to lose that vote. At least not lose it badly. 

The problem is, you can never be left-compassionate enough for these crazies... and you alienate a much bigger pie of the vote if you even try.

Elections are won by taking your base, alienating the wing-extreme crazies and gunning for the middle rump.

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

Where are they going to get their power, manufactured goods, milk and other food from?

You don't have to go to buttfuck Idaho 🙂

There's a crapload of counties that voted for Obama AND for Trump. Only one that did it in a landslide for both. So unless inbred rednecks voted for Obama, these same people voted for Trump.

 

Do yourself a favour - here's a very interesting read: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-county-in-america-that-voted-in-a-landslide-for-both-trump-and-obama/

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That is sort of drifting off the point although I agree it was small counties not closely associated with larger cities that took Trump over the line, not by total  percentage of votes but by electoral divisions that voted for him . American politics is a complicated beast that I once did a course on, in the UK - ended up shaking my head as did the entire U.K born class - the most pithy comment was the Founding fathers must have had some good weed. Funnily enough George Washington grew the stuff, there are letters on record of his directing his farm staff to carefully sex the hemp plants - you do that to maximise the THC yield.

But what is manufacturing in the U.S. these days ? Historically places like Detroit where they still do make a lot of cars. Boeing used to be in Seattle, moved to Chicago for tax reasons but still manufacture the aircraft in Seattle and other big cities. Lockheed are in L.A as part of their now merged behemoth. Grumman are on Long Island. Microsoft are in Seattle, HP etc in the Valley and so it goes on.

Same with most any country that is first world or wanting to be, the big biz is in the cities, the rural areas are the breadbasket. Australia is the same which is why the National Party came to be.

Power you rather miss a point, transmission loss, the big dams are close to cities, the nuclear plants as well, I take it you do know where Three Mile Island is? Near Harrisburg, been there too.

Big power stations have to be relatively near the cities that draw the power within reason.

The so-called big city of Port Augusta that you think is some megalopolis  used to provide a lot of S.A. power,  the grid is pretty good here but transmission losses are inevitable.

Turn your argument around, a big industrialised nation like the U.S. is in an interdependent relationship of cities with its rural areas just as Australia is, both need each other - living off the land is not feasible  in an advanced civilisation.

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Not showing any favouritism - just all the new Dems.

 

 

 

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Worth pointing out: if a democrat wins, they’ll be facing Nikki Haley in 2024.

Would not wish that on anyone.

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@Cybes re your David P vid : surely it's the Russians responsible for the Dems problems with 'fake news' . 😛

@Leonid ... mmm toss up between Nikki and Alexandra ... mmmm

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1 hour ago, eveln said:

mmm toss up between Nikki and Alexandra ... mmmm

Look... AOC might get a clue by 2024 to match Haley.

But then she won’t be the politician the Kimmo admires as she will no longer be utterly vacuous.

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1 hour ago, eveln said:

re your David P vid : surely it's the Russians responsible for the Dems problems with 'fake news'

I never ascribed blame - merely pointed out that it was happening.

To me, it seems odd for them to target people closer to their own political stance - unless Vlad has an interest in keeping Agent Orange on the throne?

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44 minutes ago, Cybes said:
2 hours ago, eveln said:

re your David P vid : surely it's the Russians responsible for the Dems problems with 'fake news'

I never ascribed blame - merely pointed out that it was happening.

Yeah, I know ... it's why I put in the joke emoji ... but what David was complaining / remarking on is the same sorta shite that's been directed to the other team tooo / also / as well 😉

 

1 hour ago, Leonid said:

Look... AOC might get a clue by 2024 to match Haley.

But then she won’t be the politician the Kimmo admires as she will no longer be utterly vacuous.

By the time AOC get's her clue, Haley will be sooo far ahead , AOC won't even register the slip stream of Haley's trajectory ... just sayin'

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1 hour ago, Cybes said:

I never ascribed blame - merely pointed out that it was happening.

To me, it seems odd for them to target people closer to their own political stance - unless Vlad has an interest in keeping Agent Orange on the throne?

Off course he does. He’s outright said that Trump is preferable.

This is not surprising. Trump has isolationist tendencies.

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