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Russia's parliament has passed two bills outlawing "disrespect" of authorities and the spreading of what the government deems to be "fake news".

The first ban refers to "blatant disrespect" of the state, its officials and Russian society, and repeat offenders face up to 15 days in jail.

The second bill prohibits sharing "false information of public interest, shared under the guise of fake news," the TASS state news agency reported.
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47488267

 

 


There are times I wish Reagan wasn't joking when he said "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes."

How does one country in Europe, regress so quickly and pointedly towards a past they all left behind 30 years ago? 

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Give it time Leo, the "old country" is once again spending itself into oblivion.

It does seem to be some characteristic in the personality of many Russians that lets them be led back willingly to a repressive society headed by those who are "more equal than others."

Reagan did scare the crap out of half of Washington when he made that, to him, joking comment. The other half were sharpening up the nukes...

Cheers

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12 hours ago, Leonid said:

How does one country in Europe, regress so quickly and pointedly towards a past they all left behind 30 years ago? 

Because it wasn't collectivism that was the problem with Russia - it's authoritarianism, which was never renounced. 

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That is true to a degree Kimmo, it's sort of an inverse square rule in Russia, the more rural and distant from cities the less it is authoritarian but the cities are very tightly controlled. I hasten to add my experience of rural Russia is only second hand and that of cities very fleeting but it seems to be borne out by evidence.

Collectivism sort of works as the Israeli kibbutz concept proves, I've had a couple of great stays at them. There are naysayers, mostly to do with the way they deal with children but I didn't see any evidence of that.  Others speak highly of the Moshav approach which does not seem much different to a communal English Village.

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Collectivism on a national scale and authoritarianism are the same side of the same coin. 

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Not the way it is set up in Israel though is it Leo ?

The kibbutz' do have political influence but so do so many parties in Israel  it sometimes amazes me that the Knesset gets anything done 🙂

Cheers

 

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5 minutes ago, chrisg said:

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Not the way it is set up in Israel though is it Leo ?

Israel doesn’t really have collectivist Kibbutzim though - not any more. In the early days when Israel was shit poor and jumping currencies like a 16yo boy who just discovered there’s more than one porn site - the collectivism was the path to shared wealth.

As Israel got richer, collectivism died in the arse. And it was never national-level, small moshavs/kibbutzim - as you said.

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2 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Because it wasn't collectivism that was the problem with Russia - it's authoritarianism, which was never renounced. 

this, yes.

ive often wondered what it is about the Russian psyche that makes them such suckers for punishment.

more charitably, i would guess its the severe cold and vast distances that lead to a natural yearning for brutal pragmatism over dithery democracy.

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Hmm,

True in the original sense of the collectives Leo, something that sort of was part of what begat the settler movement I'd suspect.

There are still over 200 "kibbutz'' " apparently but they have in the main morphed into high-tech industry including military stuff etc.

I was there in the 70s, the farm ethos was still very much alive then, picking oranges is rather good as relaxation I found 😉

Russia is one very weird place in terms of national character and certainly the vastness and the winters do not contribute to much in the way of an upbeat mentality @th.

It was almost comical what happened to the characters of the old Warsaw Pact countries peoples when the USSR folded up, the joy returned, hope it endures 🙂

Cheers

 

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I was listening to one of the Pussy Riot members talk about jail in Russia. It's more like hard labour for 16 hours a day. 

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1 hour ago, @~thehung said:

this, yes.

ive often wondered what it is about the Russian psyche that makes them such suckers for punishment.

more charitably, i would guess its the severe cold and vast distances that lead to a natural yearning for brutal pragmatism over dithery democracy.

Kimmo’s wrong you know?

Russia did renounce authoritarianism for a proverbial five minutes in the 90s. Nemtsov was PM... things were looking up.

We had it in our hands... and we let it go.

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Meh. Pussy Riot being free ain’t gonna change jack.

In Russia the leading cause of death among independent journalists is falling out of balconies or accidental poisonings.

Occasionally they get creative and make it a violent mugging in busy areas on the one day of the year the CCTV cameras are off for maintenance.

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

Pussy Riot being free ain’t gonna change jack.

Apparently the scum who locked em up beg to differ... 

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12 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Apparently the scum who locked em up beg to differ... 

 

Or maybe said scum locked them up because a bunch of screaming harpies takes attention away from the other stuff they do?

 

As a Russian I get “optics” much better than you do Kimmo. And Russian politicians have always known how to game the less intelligent members of the politically disaffected groups in the West.

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It's a tough call: is a punk band locked up going to take attention away from politics, or draw more attention to it?

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3 hours ago, Nich... said:

It's a tough call: is a punk band locked up going to take attention away from politics, or draw more attention to it?

 

I’m less certain than you are. Symbols can act as a distraction.

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5 hours ago, Leonid said:

As a Russian I get “optics” much better than you do Kimmo.

 

Apparently being a Russian means you understand all kinds of things better than others.

 

How do the optics of having your hand on it stack up, you think?

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1 hour ago, Kimmo said:

pparently being a Russian means you understand all kinds of things better than others.

 

Don't get your back up Kimmo. As it pertains to you there are brick walls that understand things better 🙂

 

1 hour ago, Kimmo said:

How do the optics of having your hand on it stack up, you think?

 

I don't know Kimmo.

 

You're the specialist with cock rings as per the recent circumcision thread, so I'm throwing the question back to you, the person I consider especially acquainted with all things pertaining to being a dick and fucking people over.

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3 hours ago, Leonid said:

being a dick

 

Says you? Trolol

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8 hours ago, Kimmo said:

 

Says you? Trolol

 

Ooh. Harsh.

 

Bet that one took you a while to remember. That one was biting back in kindergarten.

 

What you gonna wheel out next? The “my brother is bigger than your brother” contest?

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Blind to your hypocrisy, like the frauds you consider leaders. 

 

Keep telling me what a dick I am, in increasingly dickish ways, why don't you... I'm interested to see how far past 'utter cock' it's possible to go. 

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2 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Keep telling me what a dick I am

 

No probs, grave liner 🙂

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So touche, how humbling, I bow before the master, zing, zing, zing. 

 

What skill, what talent, etc. 

 

Awaiting the next gem of such witty repartee with bated breath

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Nah I think I’ll leave it here and wait for your next pearl of wisdom such as the Greens being centrist or “participatory anarchic democracy”.

 

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