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How will/did you vote in the 2019 federal election and why?

How will/did you vote in the 2019 federal election and why?  

11 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will/did receive your House of Representatives first preference?

    • Australian Labor Party
      2
    • Liberal/National
      2
    • United Australia Party
      0
    • The Greens
      4
    • One Nation
      1
    • Liberal Democratic Party
      0
    • independent (please specify)
      0
    • other (please specify)
      2
  2. 2. Who will/did receive your Senate first preference?

    • Australian Labor Party
      1
    • Liberal/National
      2
    • United Australia Party
      0
    • The Greens
      4
    • One Nation
      1
    • Liberal Democratic Party
      0
    • independent (please specify)
      0
    • other (please specify)
      3


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3 hours ago, Nich... said:

or she'd have to be patient and bide her time in the wildnerness for 3 years, and then run again.  And see if anyone will step aside for her to be preselected.

My thinking is it will probably take the Libs longer than three years to accept a femme Leader but, well who knows really ? ... I don't think she wanted much more to do with the present state of Gov. and all surrounds.

I also reckon she will not waste the next few years being a wallflower. Unless her partner takes her out of the country for good, she'll be biding her time to be the next femme PM of Aus.

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I'm not actually that averse to smashing capitalism, just not with communism.

 

A bit dated there though Leo, "Soviet alignment" became irrelevant decades ago. Russia, as in the despot dregs of decaying communism where the more corrupt you are the more money you acquire making Putin king of the heap, THAT I agree with.

 

In reality Putin is nothing but a despot feasting on the corpse of Russia. They tend to take their time in Russia, must be the cold, it's been somewhat over a century between revolutions...

 

Cheers

 

 

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I live in NSW. I put the commies last.

 

I don’t distinguish between pigs and pigs wearing lipstick.

 

The only difference between Socialist Equality and the Greens is competence. The latter know nobody wants communism so they put a nice palatable leftie Italian bloke who’s easy on the eye as leader.

 

That’s why I put the Greens last. Competent communists are a greater danger than incompetent communists or incompetent Nazis.

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On 5/17/2019 at 2:44 PM, NZT48 said:

v) individual freedom, including unrestricted freedom of speech, association and belief;

 

Sounds good. Oh, except....

 

On 5/17/2019 at 2:44 PM, NZT48 said:

iii) traditional family values, including recognising marriage as only the union of a man and a woman and the sanctity of human life at all ages, including both the unborn and the elderly;

 

Freedom of belief, as long as your beliefs are Fraser Anning's beliefs.

 

So he's a hypocritical Nazi. Right up your alley then, DMB.

 

Thank god he won zero seats in either house. 

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You reckon Anning’s mum would’ve voted for him?

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1 hour ago, Leonid said:

You reckon Anning’s mum would’ve voted for him?

She might well have been his guiding light. ... It's not at all unheard of for a mum to be a child's main fan.

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I'm not going to go into it; my preferences are mine.

The tldr of my feelings are that with Liberal holding hands with Palmer, and the horrible leadership spill after leadership spill. AND the religious ideals in one of the least religious countries. AAANNNNDDD the hating of people marrying whom they love....

I'm Genuinely surprised Liberal got back in. Not because of what they stand for as a party, but because of who represents them.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Master_Scythe said:

I'm not going to go into it; my preferences are mine.

The tldr of my feelings are that with Liberal holding hands with Palmer, and the horrible leadership spill after leadership spill. AND the religious ideals in one of the least religious countries. AAANNNNDDD the hating of people marrying whom they love....

I'm Genuinely surprised Liberal got back in. Not because of what they stand for as a party, but because of who represents them.

 

 

 

Its almost like all you had to do was coast into power without a huge policy portfolio to hit those who do with additional taxes to pay sit down money to those who don’t.

22 minutes ago, eveln said:

She might well have been his guiding light. ... It's not at all unheard of for a mum to be a child's main fan.

 

A Nazi Light on the Hill. How sweet!

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3 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

 

A Nazi Light on the Hill. How sweet!

 

Wiki diesn't say whether his mum still lives ... so I'm going no further with this line of convo. I'd not googled his personal life before ...the little of it that is mentioned explains why he is as he is .

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On 5/18/2019 at 4:20 PM, SquallStrife said:

Why am I not surprised that DMB would vote for actual white supremacists, only a language and location away from being literal Nazis.

No.

On 5/20/2019 at 12:12 PM, SquallStrife said:

 

Sounds good. Oh, except....

 

 

Freedom of belief, as long as your beliefs are Fraser Anning's beliefs.

 

So he's a hypocritical Nazi. Right up your alley then, DMB.

 

Thank god he won zero seats in either house. 

No;  freedom of belief. "Traditional family values" is about what the party stands for and what they would base some legislation on; they are not seeking to force others to believe something. Did I really need to tell you that?

 

I am pretty sure he is not hypocritical or a Nazi so either prove he is or take it back.

Sorry, guys; I didn't vote. I know how much you all value my input so how about I buy us all a round of beers?

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🙂

 

You sure you can afford it after you pay the fine ? 🙂

 

Cheers

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4 hours ago, NZT48 said:

I am pretty sure he is not hypocritical or a Nazi

 

He's not a Nazi in the same way the Greens aren't communists.

 

Fundamental rule: if you don't have enemies to your right, as a right-winger or to your left as a left-winger, YOU are the enemy/radical.

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13 hours ago, NZT48 said:

Did I really need to tell you that?

 

 

i) the vision of Sir Henry Parkes of Australia as an English speaking, predominantly European Christian Commonwealth, as originally described in 1901 when Australia as a nation was founded;

 

Sounds an awful lot like he intends to either coerce/force people to have a certain set of beliefs, or leave.

 

How is that NOT forcing belief?

 

I'm non-religious (you might say atheist), and Leonid is Jewish. We are not welcome in Anning's vision of Australia.

 

A world where Jews aren't welcome, LITERALLY NAZI GERMANY.

 

iii) traditional family values, including recognising marriage as only the union of a man and a woman and the sanctity of human life at all ages, including both the unborn and the elderly;

 

Enforcing with the power of law that same-sex couples have less/no rights, and a specific dogmatic view on unborn foetuses.

 

That isn't freedom of belief.

 

 

 

Edit: And if that's not enough, there's also Anning's repeated use of the phrase "final solution" in his infamous speech to parliament.

 

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Forget Jewish. I’m also an atheist and an anti-theist.

 

My life expectancy in a Christendom dominion is seconds. I’m enemy number 1.

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I've always been told that being Jewish has absolutely nothing to do with religion, whilst you can convert to Judaism you can only be born a Jew.

 

Personally I have nothing but total respect for the Jewish people even though they can be the most argumentative SoBs on earth  🙂

 

Cheers

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16 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

He's not a Nazi in the same way the Greens aren't communists.

 

Fundamental rule: if you don't have enemies to your right, as a right-winger or to your left as a left-winger, YOU are the enemy/radical.

What does "right" mean? What does "left" mean?

 

I reducing the entirety of ones political positions to one of two or three or four or five points on a one dimensional scale is stupid and stifles proper political debate.

7 hours ago, SquallStrife said:

 

i) the vision of Sir Henry Parkes of Australia as an English speaking, predominantly European Christian Commonwealth, as originally described in 1901 when Australia as a nation was founded;

 

Sounds an awful lot like he intends to either coerce/force people to have a certain set of beliefs, or leave.

 

How is that NOT forcing belief?

 

I'm non-religious (you might say atheist), and Leonid is Jewish. We are not welcome in Anning's vision of Australia.

 

A world where Jews aren't welcome, LITERALLY NAZI GERMANY.

 

iii) traditional family values, including recognising marriage as only the union of a man and a woman and the sanctity of human life at all ages, including both the unborn and the elderly;

 

Enforcing with the power of law that same-sex couples have less/no rights, and a specific dogmatic view on unborn foetuses.

 

That isn't freedom of belief.

 

 

 

Edit: And if that's not enough, there's also Anning's repeated use of the phrase "final solution" in his infamous speech to parliament.

 

i) I think that is about immigration policy and the basis for our laws. Do you think he wants to implement compulsory church attendance?

 

"world"? It's just Australia.

 

iii) What has that got to do with freedom or otherwise of belief?

 

His use of the term "final solution" has nothing to do with exterminating Jews.

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https://www.politwoops.com/p/australia/fraser_anning

 

Sure so he's not a nazi, he just wants to reinstitute a white Australia policy.

 

The people of Cronulla and NSW are very concerned about Muslim immigration and they have every right to. My party will ban all Muslim and Black immigration and ensure safety for Australians once more.

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23 hours ago, NZT48 said:

I didn't vote.

Just curious here. How come you didn't vote ? Is it age or eligibility , or non resident, or just didn't care enough . "cept that last one doesn't make sense ... unless all your time on atomic is purely and solely for the Troll

 

Not judging here, really just curious. Was talking with a neighbour the other day, and she implied that not only was she not voting, but it had been years since she had. There were a few years in my late teens into most of my twenties that I saw voting as a worthless chore. Now of course I don't see it as a chore, nor usually quite so worthless either.

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A few reasons:

  • I was unenthusiastic about the candidates, especially for House of Representatives
  • I didn't manage my time well and I ran out of time
  • I hadn't researched the candidates and the parties properly
  • I was under the impression that money goes to who you vote for and I didn't want the wrong person or party to get the money

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7 minutes ago, NZT48 said:
  • I was unenthusiastic about the candidates, especially for House of Representatives
  • I hadn't researched the candidates and the parties properly
  • I was under the impression that money goes to who you vote for and I didn't want the wrong person or party to get the money

So?

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13 hours ago, NZT48 said:
  • I was unenthusiastic about the candidates, especially for House of Representatives

 

Yet you made comments here; Why are you investing effort into something you're unenthusiastic about?

13 hours ago, NZT48 said:
  •  I didn't manage my time well and I ran out of time

Over the course of multiple days; You couldn't get literally 5 minutes to walk in and tick some boxes? 

 

14 hours ago, NZT48 said:
  •  I hadn't researched the candidates and the parties properly

CLEARLY!

 

14 hours ago, NZT48 said:
  •  I was under the impression that money goes to who you vote for and I didn't want the wrong person or party to get the money

Don't worry, your 1 vote is not powerful enough to affect a pay grade.

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On 5/22/2019 at 8:33 PM, Nich... said:

So?

The factors I listed contributed to me not voting. If you want me to answer further then I suggest you question further.

 

On 5/23/2019 at 12:24 PM, Master_Scythe said:

Yet you made comments here; Why are you investing effort into something you're unenthusiastic about?

I was unenthusiastic about the candidates in my electorate but enthusiastic about some policy so I wanted to share and discuss that, and I was curious about others' voting.

On 5/23/2019 at 12:24 PM, Master_Scythe said:

Over the course of multiple days; You couldn't get literally 5 minutes to walk in and tick some boxes? 

I could have done it but I was leaving it to the last minute and then something came up.

On 5/23/2019 at 12:24 PM, Master_Scythe said:

CLEARLY!

Why do you say that?

On 5/23/2019 at 12:24 PM, Master_Scythe said:

Don't worry, your 1 vote is not powerful enough to affect a pay grade.

By "pay grade" do you mean what candidates and parties who receive more than four per cent of the total vote in their electorate get? The amount of money received is "$2.756" "per formal first preference vote". If I had voted Liberal for House of Representatives, which is how I was leading, they would have received an extra $2.756. If I had voted FRASER ANNING'S CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL PARTY for Senate, which is how I was leaning, they would not have received any extra money.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1819/Quick_Guides/ElectionFundingStates

https://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/public_funding/Current_Funding_Rate.htm

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On 01/07/2019 at 2:20 PM, NZT48 said:

The factors I listed contributed to me not voting. If you want me to answer further then I suggest you question further.

Those are poor factors to not vote.  Stop being intellectually lazy.

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