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3 hours ago, NZT48 said:

 

 

What would you consider proof?

nonbiblical reference re the man and his miracles

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I think you are capable of finding that out for yourself.

 

How about the Quran?

 

Seek and you will find.

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I've read the Quran and the bible, a few times.



They're basically the same.

 

 

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1 hour ago, NZT48 said:

I think you are capable of finding that out for yourself.

 

How about the Quran?

 

Seek and you will find.

you are the one making a claim (that jesus loves us)

back up your claim

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I have felt the love and I think I am the worst sinner ever. If Jesus loves me he loves everyone.

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1 hour ago, NZT48 said:

I have felt the love and I think I am the worst sinner ever.

Feelings ? Think ? << they're faith type words, not proof type words

 

1 hour ago, NZT48 said:

If Jesus loves me he loves everyone.

Your premiss is faulty to say the least.

Outrageous assumption about some ' thing ' you only think you know about ... even if some 'thing' does love you, you might just fit the type required. So to say that everyone is loved, because you think you are, is well, not even logical or illogical ...

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6 hours ago, NZT48 said:

Seek and you will find.

 

Gee, there's an idea, I've never sought the truth...

 

Pff.

 

Try DMT, dude

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8 hours ago, NZT48 said:

I think you are capable of finding that out for yourself.

 

How about the Quran?

 

Seek and you will find.

 

The Quran says a god has no son. Ie Jesus is just a bloke.

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20 hours ago, NZT48 said:

The Quran talks about "the man and his miracles".

 

Yes as a prophet. Not the son of god.

 

if you’re using the Quran to back up your claims, are you prepared to accept the Quran as truth?

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Like I said, they're basically the same. Prophet...son of God...same shit in my book.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Leonid said:

Yes as a prophet. Not the son of god.

Yep...

 

5 hours ago, Leonid said:

if you’re using the Quran to back up your claims, are you prepared to accept the Quran as truth?

No. I have not read the Quran. I am providing a "nonbiblical reference re the man and his miracles" as was requested.

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On 7/24/2019 at 2:42 PM, NZT48 said:

Yep...

 

No. I have not read the Quran. I am providing a "nonbiblical reference re the man and his miracles" as was requested.

 

"It talks about XYZ" is scantly a reference. "Seek and you will find" is as pointless a thing to say as "There is a teapot orbiting Jupiter. Prove me wrong."

 

 

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🙂

 

*Smacks forehead*

 

"THATS' where I left that teapot.... !!! "

 

  🙂

 

Cheers

 

 

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2 hours ago, SquallStrife said:

"Seek and you will find" is as pointless a thing to say as "There is a teapot orbiting Jupiter. Prove me wrong."

Nonsense.

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4 minutes ago, NZT48 said:

Nonsense.

 

 

How so?

 

At least "There is a teapot orbiting Jupiter" is a claim that can be tested through observation. As inconsequential as it is.

 

What does "seek and you will find" add to the discussion?

 

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It means if you seek "nonbiblical reference re the man and his miracles" you will find "nonbiblical reference re the man and his miracles" which is a lot easier than finding a teapot orbiting Jupiter.

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Posted (edited)

It doesn't strike me as thorough to look for confirmation of miracles only in other Abrahamic religions' holy books. Looking at the Quran (or, say, the Torah) as examples of "nonbiblical" sources is lawyering your way around the thrust of the question.

 

Are Christ's so-called miracles documented in any scientific journals? Did he perform his miracles under controlled scientific conditions for impartial observers?

Edited by SquallStrife

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I don't believe, and if you want to understand why, DMB, just seek and you shall find?

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On 7/25/2019 at 6:51 PM, SquallStrife said:

It doesn't strike me as thorough to look for confirmation of miracles only in other Abrahamic religions' holy books.

Of course. Agreed.

On 7/25/2019 at 6:51 PM, SquallStrife said:

Looking at the Quran (or, say, the Torah) as examples of "nonbiblical" sources is lawyering your way around the thrust of the question.

I disagree. The Torah is Biblical. The Quran is not.

On 7/25/2019 at 6:51 PM, SquallStrife said:

Are Christ's so-called miracles documented in any scientific journals?

I doubt it.

On 7/25/2019 at 6:51 PM, SquallStrife said:

Did he perform his miracles under controlled scientific conditions for impartial observers?

What do you call "controlled scientific conditions"?

 

On 7/25/2019 at 7:26 PM, Nich... said:

I don't believe, and if you want to understand why, DMB, just seek and you shall find?

I don't understand.

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So help me. Question marks indicate a question. What is the question?

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🙂

 

I do believe you  started this thread - another of your enigmatic declarations.

 

So if you do not know, no-one does  🙂

 

Cheersw

 

 

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56 minutes ago, NZT48 said:

So help me. Question marks indicate a question. What is the question?

Awwww come on ...  Nich was throwing your response back at you ... but seeing as how you be the expert he was bowing to your knowledge in posing it as a question rather than an assuming it to be correct

... at least pretend to respect those who talk to you by actually reading their posts dude 😉

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🙂

 

Actually I always read his posts - mostly for shits and giggles I admit  🙂

 

Cheers

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