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Hmm.

 

Again it is water under the bridge but complacency had a deal to do with Trump's victory, everyone was so convinced he would not win, even though they in large measure hated Clinton that not being able to bring themselves to vote for either they just did not turn up at the polls. They don't HAVE to vote, so, although it was by no means a disastrous turn-out in 2016 it was hardly stellar either.

 

Leo, will  probably drag some fucking numbers our of his ass now but the reality would suggest there was a demographic shift in those who chose to vote.

 

Mid-terms often see a correction, depends which States are re-electing but we saw quite a sign of people actually getting off their asses to vote and take back at least the House of Reps.

 

You will not get any argument from me that at the moment the Democrats seem rudderless. Their last true elder Statesman was Edward Kennedy, and he did not have an unsullied past. I very much doubt Obama will stand up for the role, but he might surprise me.

 

The way it stands, whilst impossible because the Dems have not picked a runner yet, there is little doubt the Reps will run Trump, no one ever does not run an incumbent President, although it is possible it never happens, Trump would probably win, but not by much.

 

However it is still the fact that we are a good ways out from the actual election which is why the Dems need to wake up and act in a concerted manner.

 

During that time I predict that a number of Trumps policies will come home to roost - in a way it began today - there he is blithering on like some schoolgirl about the lovely letter he received from fat boy Kim and the lunatic launches a couple of missiles.

 

There is no deal to be had with North Korea, there is no deal to be had with Iran, more likely a war, there is no deal to be had with Putin, he wont win a trade war with China, he isn't playing with the right cards and he has lost his chance with Venezuela short of backing a side and a war.

 

That's the international scene.

 

Domestically the Dow is on one hell of a rough ride with China basically controlling the levers, that has the flow on effect of damage to the economy, even possible recession.

 

I could go on but his policies are both naive and damaging and that's before we get to the issue of assault rifles...

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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you be worse than a scratched record with your " water under the bridge " gingo.

Nothing is water under the bridge when it comes to The President. So why should what happened to get him in the seat be considered irrelevant now ? It all plays to the psyche of the mentality trying to get him gone. Nothing has changed for those pollies since 2016.

As to your predictions ... lol

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Heh,

 

Simply put you would not understand foreign politics if it had the bad taste to bite you in the ass...

 

Shit for brains... We are, so long as Trump is in power, on a collision path to disaster, and not just America, but you are far, far too dumb to see it...

 

Just how you can ignore his persistent lying, his losses of train of thought, his impossible self-belief in himself over things he can barely spell is beyond me - purely delusional. Geez, he can't even play an honest game of golf...

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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It is not an ivory tower at all - I don't like one bit what is happening currently with the Democrats, I'd currently be concerned about any of them, possible exception of Biden in at least a caretaker role, based upon his prior experience , taking control of the reins.

 

But I'd question if Trump has ever really had control at all, the turnover rate of staff at the White House is off the scale, he seems to be surrounding himself with sycophants, and family, some of whom are very questionable, and he just keeps right on lying - when he's not mumbling stupidities.

 

I've never really cared whether there is a Republican or a Democrat in the Presidential position, i care about how good a job they do.

 

I had a lot of time for Bush Senior, tended to find Bush Junior often amusing but he was ok when the chips were down and in particular contrary to many I do think Reagan did a good job, mostly by shrewd delegation.

 

In the Trump White House there is no concept of delegation , he thinks hee can control it all when I'd doubt his ability to run a successful chook raffle...

 

Part of the problem is that his VP is probably even worse - I did not think that possible until I looked deeper - very cunning of Trump to choose such a despicable secondary.

 

I don't think Trump is necessarily stupid, I do think he is far less capable than he would have us believe he is, and he is paranoid, scared that he will be found out to the extent that he claims to be an instant expert on everything - that is both impossible and pathetic.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ah, so you're just the asshole who likes to tell everyone how much smarter he is than them.  Well that's different then.

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Just telling it like it is, or as I see it   🙂

 

Cheers

 

 

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4 hours ago, chrisg said:

There is no deal to be had with North Korea, there is no deal to be had with Iran, more likely a war, there is no deal to be had with Putin, he wont win a trade war with China, he isn't playing with the right cards and he has lost his chance with Venezuela short of backing a side and a war.

 

There’s always a deal.

 

China’s fucked. Their top weapon (selling American bonds) are useless because the US Fed has testified it has the means to buy them back + if China tries there’ll be capital flight out of their country. They have devalued the Renminbi and there are $200b in IOUs floating in the private system because banks refuse to lend to the private sector.

 

Iran is likewise fucked. It has precisely one way to get its oil out and few countries want to trade that oil. All around it are American allies or their own Sunni enemies. It has a restive population of Balochis and Arabs in Khuzestan. The sanctions are biting hard and the much more liberal population is protesting. The population doesn’t believe the occupation (the Mullahs occupy Iran) and at a certain point all bets are off. If the Mullahs don’t want to be killed a la Qaddafi, they will come to the table.

 

Venezuela’s not done yet. There’s still a-ways to go.

 

North Korea - I still have hope for a deal but let’s face it - every President has failed since 1953. Trump’s unorthodox approach may work. At least it’s unorthodox.

 

Trump isn’t looking for a deal with Putin.

 

Essentially Chris, you’re of the deep state. Your view of Trump is based on years of inoculation in best-practise rules-based-order politics. None of that shit works because your opponents aren’t playing by those rules. There was a saying about Churchill that he was the man the time demanded.

 

The same might be true of Trump. Let’s see.

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1 hour ago, Nich... said:

Ah, so you're just the asshole who likes to tell everyone how much smarter he is than them.  Well that's different then.

Nothing's changed.

 

Any minute now he will threaten to shoot or bash.
 

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🙂

 

You can tend to think too much like a capitalist.  Some deals never get to the table in the real world.

 

Trump is clueless, but he makes a very good show dog....

 

Iran is not rational,  it could go either way, the Mullahs have a tenuous hold on control but a reverse uprising is not easy and the guard are rather fanatical and they are out there threatening the carriers.

 

Personally i would not like to take on a U.S. carrier, but those fanatics might.

 

Venezuela is only going to be resolved if the fanatic caves in, which he will only do with a Special Forces gun at his head - that's called a surgical strike, but I don't think Trump has either the balls, the willingness to listen to his advisors or the resolve to do that.

 

He's batting against his keeping the U.S. out of war  - by appeasement - doesn't work - ask Chamberlain.

 

There is no hope for a deal in NK, fat boy never-to-be-slim will just keep on being a prick.

 

Churchillian is old news, no, I'm thinking more along the lines of one step wrong and we are out of control.

 

Plain and simply I do not trust Trump in a face-to-face with nukes on the table - he's too irrational.

 

Cheers

 

Edit: That was for Leo, sort of ignoring you Twinny...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, chrisg said:

You can tend to think too much like a capitalist.  Some deals never get to the table in the real world.

 

No argument. I just said that there’s always a deal.

 

But at the very least you ought to try methods that you haven’t before starting another conventional war against a bunch of terrorist donkey fuckers.

 

5 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Iran is not rational,  it could go either way, the Mullahs have a tenuous hold on control but a reverse uprising is not easy and the guard are rather fanatical and they are out there threatening the carriers.

 

Iran has nothing to hit carriers with. Their best attack aircraft has a 750km operational range before having to turn back. They have no accurate cruise missiles. They have no refuellers.

 

The Iranian Air Force is largely unchanged since 1979.

 

If America and Iran get into a shooting war, the conventional forces of Iran will be fighting on donkeys within a fortnight. Because all their technology will be destroyed by a coalition of America, UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel.

 

Amusingly when the Iranian Republican Guards start fighting on donkeys it’ll be hard to stop making jokes about asses riding donkeys...

 

The thing about the Republican Guard is that they “own” the economy. We know of another such Islamic State - Pakistan. And the army won’t hesitate to protect their interests if it’s easier to get rid of the Mullahs, blame them for everything and posture as secularists in favour of a new secular dictatorship that flips back to america’s side. The Mullahs may be (are) nutcases - generals generally aren’t.

 

20 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Venezuela is only going to be resolved if the fanatic caves in, which he will only do with a Special Forces gun at his head

 

You know... South American dictators leave earlier than African ones. It won’t take a special forces gun. It’ll just take a lot of pressure and a Russian offer to provide asylum as they have done for other socialists rolled by reality, in the past.

 

21 minutes ago, chrisg said:

He's batting against his keeping the U.S. out of war  - by appeasement - doesn't work - ask Chamberlain.

 

There is no hope for a deal in NK, fat boy never-to-be-slim will just keep on being a prick.

 

Trump? Appeasement? Seriously? Who has he abandoned for takeover?

 

As for DPRK, fat boy has to make the calculation: assure 4 more years of Trump by giving Trump what he wants, getting sanctions relief and no regime change. Or get a Democrat president and no more opportunities.

 

23 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Plain and simply I do not trust Trump in a face-to-face with nukes on the table

 

Good. Let’s hope every other deep-stater and foreign enemy is thinking the same.

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4 hours ago, chrisg said:

 

Simply put you would not understand foreign politics if it had the bad taste to bite you in the ass...

... and the really pitiful thing is you think you've got the whole game sorted. You've got no real fucking clue what's going on in the WhiteHouse or any where else for that matter.  ... no doubt you will come back with some dude you know who happens to have close contact to someone there ... ffs ... and 'they' say women are the worst for gossip mongering.

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Iran actually has a deal more than that including SRBMs and not to be dismissed missiles in general.

 

 

I'm sure some of that is bluster but not all of it is.

 

The speedboats are a bigger threat than most realise, they can get under CWIS, they can get in close and they can detonate on the hull.

 

Not enough to sink a carrier, no way, but enough to take it out of the theater of operations ? Quite possibly. Particularly if scheduled during a carrier recovery operation and having some crude stuff to toss onto the deck.

 

It's mostly asymmetric warfare Leo, the other guy tends to be quicker on their feet.

 

Venezuela I have no idea, but if America dies not react the Russians have indicated they are there to stay.

 

Usually South American dictators do leave early, maybe not now unless pushed and maybe Putin is not the same sort of life rope as in the past. He is actually more ruthless, more inclined to make the dictator take a stand.

 

On balance I think a limited war is brewing there unless curbed soon.

 

🙂

 

Don't be disingenuous, Trump has not abandoned anyone, he's just genuflected to Moscow and Pyongyang, and had nice notes back...

 

I don't think fat boy is that smart - doubt he really knows when the next U.S. elections fall, he just wallows in his authority. Someone needs to take him out, but I've no idea whom.

 

That is a dangerous game that I do not want to see come to the table -I seriously do believe he is irrational enough as to threaten a nuclear strike - it escalates from there - gamed it too many times.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, eveln said:

... and the really pitiful thing is you think you've got the whole game sorted. You've got no real fucking clue what's going on in the WhiteHouse or any where else for that matter.  ... no doubt you will come back with some dude you know who happens to have close contact to someone there ... ffs ... and 'they' say women are the worst for gossip mongering.

Heh.

 

If I had it sorted I'd not be worrying about it, guess you did not think of that...

 

No, I have no particularly close contacts to Trump's demented White House whatsoever, I'm just reading the signs, and I do not like them, not at all.

 

Pitiful... that really does describe your patent ignorance...

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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Jesus Chris,

 

Get it through your head: Trump ain’t gonna launch nukes. He just isn’t. 

 

Neither is Fat Boy, unless really pushed. Fat Boy was educated in Sweden or Switzerland. He knows us. He likes our movies. He likes our food. He likes our culture.

 

Fat Boy wants power and money and authoritarianism. He does not need nukes for that if he has assurance that Trump does not want regime change. Fat Boy is also not a dumbass. Maybe he ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but at the least he’s meeting Trump and toned down the sabre rattling (note I said “toned down” not stopped).

 

Likewise like all deep-staters you’re talking about Russia. Russia was an issue in 2012 when Romney told a certain idiot Democrat that Russia was a problem only to be told it was “not the Cold War any more”.

 

Said idiot Democrat fucked literally EVERYTHING. Like it’s hard to write the scope of how badly this fucken idiot fucked everything in terms of foreign policy.

 

In 2016, Romney’s warning came true.

 

It’s 2020 and the Democrats are still talking about Russia while China rolls out Belt & Road and expands its territory in the South China Sea while undermining western economies by manipulating its currency to decimate our middle and working classes + stealing our technology fucken brazenly, buying our universities (our universities are now basically owned by Qatar and Chine and they both push woke ideology in the West because it divides us, just check out AJ+).

 

Russia is a problem. China’s a bigger problem. No Democrat has a China plan. Nor does the military and the US Department of Commerce is essentially on the side of China in the fight because they’re worried about economic impacts, without realising it’s a fucken war.

 

Trump is trying something with China (a trade war to hit them where it hurts and potentially lose manufacturing to other countries such as Thailand or India). And its hurting them. He’s trying something with Iran (which has worked before, and lets face it, the military will roll the dictators just like they did in Pakistan). He’s trying something with Israel/Palestine - something that no-one has tried before (picked a side).

 

You’re still worried about nukes. There’s no coming back from a nuke. Or any kind of conventional strike on the US.

 

That would require a nutcase - so basically, just the Mullahs and maybe Fat Boy. Maybe.

 

As soon as you attack the US in any meaningful conventional way, you involve NATO, Australia, Israel and probably some of the Gulf States≥

 

There is not a country in the world that can handle the vectors of utter fucken decimation that would come from an attack on the USA. Nukes are posture weapons, unless you’re an utter fucken nutcase. And you’re still thinking like a deep-stater, rote learned 1960s game planning rather than the obvious reality of what our “frenemies” are doing today.

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I do not really accept that.

 

America was attacked on 9/11, by terrorism.

 

Nukes are loose in the world, terrorists are loose in the world, some terrorists are state sponsored.

 

THAT keeps me awake at night - what would America do if a terror group managed to detonate a nuke in say New York and the CIA determined it had come from a certain country ?

 

Specifically NK demonstrably has crude nukes, Iran is not far from having crude nukes, Pakistan has reasonably sophisticated nukes.

 

Much of terror does originate in Pakistan, is Trump doing anything to rein them in as they teeter toward another war with India ?

 

There are so many cross vectors in the world that even with constant attention there is a high chance a perfect intersection will occur.

 

Btw, Russia don't make a deal of it but they can't actually account for all of their nuclear arsenal, have not been able to for years.

 

I'm not suggesting the Democrats currently have a paln either, but they are at least in the main sensible adults, I'm not in the least convinced that Trump is.

 

What I DO know of him is that he lies, he cheats, he blusters, he pats himself on the back, he borrows other peoples achievements and he cheats at golf - wonderful human being...

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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As the president, does it count as cheating at golf when other people let you win?

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What I find even more amusing is that Obama quite enjoys golf as well but he always played at Andrews or Camp David, where security is always already in place so little cost to the tax payer. Not Trump, he jets off on Air Force One to his own clubs and backhandedly makes money from putting up the security people. Not only that he does it rather often...

 

When it comes to golf it should, like any sport be an honest game, but golfers do get rather fanatic about it, so no, a player who cheats at golf is likely to be dishonest in most everything - which means you cannot trust him. Why should you ? Most every bank on earth no longer does - Deutche Bank did for a while - they are imploding at the moment.

 

I' ll leave you for now with this pithy collection, you decide if the man is fit to be President :

 

https://www.liveabout.com/donald-trump-quotes-2733859

 

Note: It doesn't even include his dislike of wind farms...

 

Cheers

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well of course he did. Obama didn't own a golf course. Obama also didn't pay his own wages either. where a POTUS goes so does his security. so playing at Camp David or Andrews still means security details. How did Obama get from the WH to the courses ?

I know he's cool enough to just magic himself there.

But that's just something else you won't accept ... well, I reckon you'd accept the " magic " bit 😉

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How little you know...

 

Andrews is a secure facility 24/7, has to be, Airforce one etc live there when not in use. Camp David is also a secure facility 24/7 with a Marine detachment assigned to it at all times. It is intended as somewhere that the President has available to decompress in a secure but more relaxed environment than the White House.

 

If the President leaves the White House it is a given the SS are there, so that is null - flying to Florida every week or so and putting them up at his own facility is not.

 

You seem to think I believe Obama was "magic" or something. I don't. I thought him adequate and someone who did a pretty good job under difficult circumstances. I do not feel the same way about Trump and I do not give much credence to Leo and his beliefs that he is trying something "different." I think he is just way out of his depth and has no idea what he is doing.

 

Cheers

 

 

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Wow chrisg you should just not bother talking to me. I'm soooooooooo beneath your breadth of knowledge it must be gruelling for you even registering my presence ... maaate, do your self a favour ... inflict your trolling on those who matter

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Trolls start arguments for no reason - ergo I'm not a troll, I just tend to disagree rather strongly with your view of the world.

 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

🙂

 

What I find even more amusing is that Obama quite enjoys golf as well but he always played at Andrews or Camp David, where security is always already in place so little cost to the tax payer. Not Trump, he jets off on Air Force One to his own clubs and backhandedly makes money from putting up the security people. Not only that he does it rather often...

 

When it comes to golf it should, like any sport be an honest game, but golfers do get rather fanatic about it, so no, a player who cheats at golf is likely to be dishonest in most everything - which means you cannot trust him. Why should you ? Most every bank on earth no longer does - Deutche Bank did for a while - they are imploding at the moment.

 

I' ll leave you for now with this pithy collection, you decide if the man is fit to be President :

 

https://www.liveabout.com/donald-trump-quotes-2733859

 

Note: It doesn't even include his dislike of wind farms...

 

Cheers

Longwinded way to not answer the question, I guess.

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🙂

 

it's Sunday, I have the time 🙂

 

To directly answer your question apart from sycophants no one much wants to play with Trump and when he started claiming a par below that of Tiger Woods... The man is off with the fairies....

 

Cheers

 

 

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Chrisg, the problem is not Trump, it is American poilitics that is fucked and not responding tot he needs of the common man

I had hoped that Trump would be a some sort of reset event, both side wake up and at least try to listen to the needs of the voter

 

maybe another 4 years of trump will stir them up

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I utterly and completely agree with you TMFP, but it is a very dangerous experiment with the so -called leader of the free world.

 

America is and always has been a social experiment on a grand scale it is baked right in there with the Constitution and the bill of rights.

 

Neither of those anticipated little things, like two world wars and nukes.

 

Both need a re-write but too many Americans will defend to the death what they represent.

 

That basically implies America is fucked...or another Civil war is not far away.

 

I do have a degree of faith in a majority of Americans, it's just it is not the majority that is involved at the moment, it is just the loud-mouths and extremists, Trump fodder in other words.

 

Another four years of Trump might stir them up, it also might be too late, these are very dangerous times, whatever Leo might think.

 

The time to get stirring is now, if not yesterday.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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