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I do keep reminding you that this is not about me but you keep resorting to very Trumpian insults when you really don't have much backing you.

 

Trump has zero military experience, he went out of his way to actively avoid it.

 

The 82nd isn't the only division called up but what is different about them is that as a general rule they get sent somewhere to do something ie. Grenada, Panama, the Gulf - so the question is why they have been sent first or has their role been adjusted ? To simply reinforce the Embassy it is more usual to send Marines which in the first instance they did from Italy.

 

Actually the Iraqi vote was unanimous, by all present, I was simply not aware that there were absentees.

 

It does now appear that Soleimani was actually on his way to visit with the Iraqi Prime Minister which makes it even worse.

 

You are utterly correct, in this instance I am getting most all of my information from a variety of news items and associated sources, as I stated some posts back.

 

Just how much of the geopolitical situation you actually understand is speculative it is most certainly prejudiced by an Israeli slant.

 

However since it seems that all you want to do is insult me at every turn it is time for me to bow out before I start throwing insults back.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, chrisg said:

I do keep reminding you that this is not about me but you keep resorting to very Trumpian insults when you really don't have much backing you.


Other than actual facts you mean?

3 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Trump has zero military experience, he went out of his way to actively avoid it.


Ive seen Trump in military planes and among US troops. Relative to you, he has military experience.

4 minutes ago, chrisg said:

The 82nd isn't the only division called up


It’s the only division called up so far.

5 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Actually the Iraqi vote was unanimous, by all present, I was simply not aware that there were absentees.


That’s the equivalent of being first in a field of one.

6 minutes ago, chrisg said:

It does now appear that Soleimani was actually on his way to visit with the Iraqi Prime Minister which makes it even worse.


No he was not. He was on his way to visit Shia militias. Hence he was met by a member of Iraq’s Hezbollah (not related to Lebanon’s).

7 minutes ago, chrisg said:

Just how much of the geopolitical situation you actually understand is speculative it is most certainly prejudiced by an Israeli slant.


Man affected by Trump Derangement Syndrom accuses someone else of prejudice. News at 5.

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8 minutes ago, chrisg said:

However since it seems that all you want to do is insult me at every turn it is time for me to bow out before I start throwing insults back.


Start?

What have you been doing till now?

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5 minutes ago, Leonid said:

 


It’s the only division called up so far.

 

Hardly:

 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/07/military-units-deploy-amid-iran-tensions-heres-what-those-left-behind-are-doing.html

 

In answer to your questions posted whilst I was writing and reading exercising about as much patience as I have available.

 

Cheers

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10 minutes ago, chrisg said:

 

Hardly:

 

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/07/military-units-deploy-amid-iran-tensions-heres-what-those-left-behind-are-doing.html

 

In answer to your questions posted whilst I was writing and reading exercising about as much patience as I have available.

 

Cheers


Read your article.

 

“The Pentagon ordered an assortment of rapid-deployment forces to the region, including another 3,000 paratroopers from the 504th PIR; the three-ship Bataan Amphibious Ready Group, which carries 4,500 Marines and sailors; and an element of the 173rd Airborne Brigade, which is based out of Vicenza, Italy.

Army Special Operations Command is also deploying a company-sized element of the 75th Ranger Regiment with other special-operations forces.”

 

Th 504th is the paratrooper regiment of the 82nd. That’s the unit I was talking about.

The Bataan was deployed in December 20, prior to Trump’s decision to make Soleimani into a jigsaw puzzle.
 

I was not aware of the 173rd. Thanks.


And it starts:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/us-base-in-iraq-under-missile-attack-reports-20200108-p53pqb.html

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Yes, I just read of he missile strike.

 

Let's keep it simple, thus far the US has deployed all the quick reaction units it can, mostly as a knee jerk because Trump's action caught them off guard. Secondary units have stepped up and called in those on leave ready to deploy but it is never that simple when you are wanting to move a significant force half way around the world and particularly to an arid region like the ME.

 

First you need logistics and that starts with food and water neither of which is insignificant when you start talking lots of people. That part is buried in the noise but whilst the QRA folks can be self sufficient for several days without resupply the loggies need to synch the arrival of their supplies with the arrival of troops.

 

That's not a bad thing, it is giving the air force a breather to ensure they have maintained aircraft ready to go and meanwhile ships are making ready to sail.

 

Next you need actual war material and that is heavy stuff that whilst you can top up by air you cannot get enough there, even a C-5 can only realistically carry a couple of Abrams tanks.

 

So it has to go by sea and it has to get to ports.

 

There are some stockpiles in the region but if it does quickly devolve to a shooting war and the logistics guys will always operate on worst case scenario then those will be exhausted quickly.

 

So whilst the Americans really are the masters of logistics they need time to fill the supply chain and that is why the RDF guys have been put in first, to buy time.

 

In the end as the old saying goes an army marches on its stomach but it fights with its weapons, both are needed.

 

No one as yet is suggesting an invasion but it is rather important to have the ability to actually do so if you want to counter aggression from Iran, which it seems is already commencing.

 

So far the only other forward basing that I have seen is B-52s streaming into Diego Garcia.

 

I really hope they are not needed, they are  getting a bit thin on the ground and they were obsolete in Vietnam but the reality is that they endure whilst the B-1's courtesy of Syria in particular but also Afghanistan are rapidly aging out, not too many flight hours left on the fleet and the B-2 fleet is tiny.

 

So it's a fast moving, fluid situation that the Pentagon is moving as fast as it can to address.

 

Thanks Mr President for giving us warning...

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Leonid said:


You might call yourself a Mirage.

 Like this one.

 

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So here’s my analysis.

 

The largest (by number of personnel) American base in the region is Camp Patriot in Kuwait. It has approx 16,500 American personnel and war materiel.

 

Iran didn’t target that.

 

The second largest is al-Udeid in Qatar. It has 13,000 active US personnel.

 

Iran didn’t target that.

 

The third largest is Bahrain with 7,200 personnel.

 

Iran didn’t target that.
 

Iran targeted al-Asad air base and Erbil, with 150 and 90 US personnel respectively. These aren’t even the largest bases of US personnel in Iraq.

 

Iran is shit scared and this missile strike is a show for a home audience. I wouldn’t be surprised if the missiles hit some outhouses on purpose, well away from barracks.

 

The question is - is Trump going to accept it or use it? Because I’m really wanting to see what the GBU-57 can do to Fordow. It’s no surprise the B-2s are flying in - they’re the only bomber that can carry it.

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Hmm,

 

B-2 can carry them as well in fact they stockpile them at Whiteman, B-2 home base, but I can't see them risking either bomber over the skies of Iran just now - old the Iranian Air Force might be but those are not fast bombers.They would need a significant escort and immediately you have, under what seem to be today's rules, a commitment to war.

 

I'm somewhat more bemused by this nugget:

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a30432841/f-35-elephant-walk/

 

Threaten 52 site strikes in Iran then go and do a show of force with 52 F-35s ? Interesting coincidence.

 

The missile strike today does seem more of a chest beating exercise although no one seems to yet want to say what type of missile they were so no idea what their CEP might be.

 

I'd suggest they chose not to hit any bases outside Iraq because that would have two governments up in arms.

 

At the moment it's more playing games than getting truly serious.

 

In other words the Americans are probably not really ready to do any "shock and awe" just yet so they will likely shrug this one off the way Israel does the repeated random rocket launches into its territory.

 

It might suggest that America may move some Iron Dome or similar counter measures into the field though - assuming there are any to spare.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

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So far, Iran lost her top-terrorist, inflicted zero US or Iraqi casualties, backed down & Trump deescalated. No WWIII happened. 

 

Meanwhile leftists & celebs who had never heard of Soleimani before, went from hyperventilating to full on cheerleading for a theocracy over a democracy.

 

Brexit, Trump’s election, the dangers of Corbyn & now this Soleimani thing. 


Why are the left increasingly so unable to identify reality, while accusing everyone *but themselves* of this?

 

I have started to suspect that the modern left’s dogmatism & serious intellectual decline is caused by a deep, deep narcissism, born of boredom, aloofness & arrogance due to their over privileged luxurious lives (they may not mean to be like this, but nevertheless do it anyway). 

 

This means that it’s *their* hatred of Trump (right or wrong) or anyone else, not reality nor humanitarianism nor principles, that defines how they think about issues. 


The world revolves around *them* & their outrage. Not for example, 1/2 million Syrians Soleimani helped to torture, slaughter and gas.

Such behaviour has manifested itself by the western left repeatedly over the last few years & is getting more & more hysterical after each loss. To the point that they sneer, preach & then scream at those of us who are “meant” to support them if we don’t do *exactly* what they say.

 

A black person who doesn’t agree is ‘house’, a Muslim who strays off the colony is a ‘native informant’, a woman who questions gender is abused, a speaker they don’t like is banned. 

All while grovelling & apologising to some of the world’s worst tyrants, dictators & theocrats, while contextualising and justifing *only* their actions, but never for anyone in the West who is deemed not 'woke' enough. 

 

Such thinking has moved from social media to universities, from there to graduate work places. Young professionals are usually studio bookers, hence this decline went from graduate jobs to infesting our media punditry. 

 

I worry this represents the intellectual decline of society. A precursor to political decline.

 

Today's left anachronistically cling on to the notion that they are 'anti-establishment', and yet our cultural establishment today is unquestionably and unquestioningly left wing, and tolerates little else in terms of thought.

 

Today's Western left is supremely wealthy, control our nodes of culture and tech, and monopolises thought. It is the left wing cultural establishment's hegemony that must be challenged.

 

Anyone who seeks to challenge power, should include within their work the aim of challenging *this* power.  

 

Because politics is downstream from culture. And our culture is weak right now.

 

-Maajid Nawaz, ex Hizb ut-Tahrir

 

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I didn't get why all the hype over the threat of war. I was under the impression the world was at war since 11th September 2001.

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Hmm,

 

More immediately it is all somewhat confusing.

 

The missiles that hit the air bases don't seem to have done much more than some building damage and although four failed en route that's actually not that unusual. From the not particularly revealing pictures of the debris of the failures, which do not appear to have detonated they are pretty typical short range surface to surface ballistics. It would be expected that they would be reasonably accurate especially over that range.

 

However some hours later they go and lob some Katyusha rockets into the Green Zone surrounding the embassy. I say "they" because no one has owned up to the attack yet but Katyushas are anything but accurate and more typically launched in a salvo. In other words seemingly very different attacks and using an inaccurate missile into the Green Zone is somewhat reckless being other nations also have embassies there.

 

Not speculating any further on that.

 

The almost overlooked crash of a Ukrainian airliner at Tehran Airport is somewhat odd, not to say tragic. There is some speculation it may have been an accidental shoot down by an over-eager SAM battery which seems unlikely but anything is possible at the moment.

 

Lastly the Senate briefing does not seem to have gone over very well. At least two senators described it as demeaning and not particularly informative at all, one of those Senators was Rand Paul. Among other things apparently the briefing tried to justify the hit by comparing it to the 2002 taking out of Saddam, which really annoyed some senators.

 

For now both sides however seem to be backing off with America not reacting to the missile attacks and Iran yet to do much else although intriguingly the Kuwait airfield Twitter site was apparently hacked and posted some tweets indicating the Americans were getting ready to leave. That has been denied.

 

Difficult to imagine it was anyone but the Iranians and rather mischievous - does make you wonder if they are not hinting at being able to hack Twitter in general or even Trump in particular  🙂

 

In any event perhaps everyone is calming down a bit but I doubt one or two inconsequential missile attacks will be enough to satisfy the Iranian public's lust for revenge.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

 

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LOL ^^

Saddam Hussein didn't have any big weapons neither ... He was just a bit of a cunt too ... Sounds familiar don't it.

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2 hours ago, eveln said:

LOL ^^

Saddam Hussein didn't have any big weapons neither ... He was just a bit of a cunt too ... Sounds familiar don't it.


Chris is just upset a better military commander and strategist than he took a major player off the board and suffered no consequences.

 

Which was actually utterly predictable if you look past the mantra of “we must do things because that’s how they’ve been done under the international rules based order”.

 

Iran’s so fucked.

 

As a strategically weak, surrounded and economically depleted country they’re trying to keep a lid on their own people, have Americans with far superior weapons on their borders, are completely hemmed in by other enemies and have just had “plausible deniability” denied to them

 

They’re so fucked they transmitted news of the strike against US bases in Iraq to the Iraqi government, knowing this news would be related to the Americans - they also appear to have struck a bunch of outhouses on purpose so as not to give Trump reason to retaliate.

 

And they may have shot down a 2016 made 737-800.

 

I wouldn’t want to be a goat in Tehran right now. The Ayatollah must be hate-fucking the things right now in sheer frustration at being so utterly beaten by The Orange Cheeto after having Droney McPeaceprize give him everything he wanted.

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Heh,

 

 Not at all.

 

I tend to think the Iranians played it as well as they possibly could whilst addressing two audiences, the International and their own people.

 

To the former they gave warning and inflicted no casualties that we are being made aware of - likelihood nil, plenty of warning to take cover.

 

To the latter they declared a great victory and hopefully blunted the blood -lust.

 

Trump seems to have listened to his advisors in particular intel, which he has been scathing of for most of his term, and given a measured reply.

 

That's pretty canny, it puts the ball back in the Iranian court without needing to do much.

 

The airliner I do not know. I really do hope it was not an accidental shoot-down.

 

Now we have to see if anything flares up again, so far it is a case of watching and wary.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Leonid said:

[...]

 

Today's left anachronistically cling on to the notion that they are 'anti-establishment', and yet our cultural establishment today is unquestionably and unquestioningly left wing, and tolerates little else in terms of thought.

 

[...]

 

-Maajid Nawaz, ex Hizb ut-Tahrir

 

I don't know whether or not a far-right god-fearing population is a preferable alternative. 

 

It's swings and roundabouts though, it'll all be different in 20 years.

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24 minutes ago, SquallStrife said:

 

I don't know whether or not a far-right god-fearing population is a preferable alternative. 

 

It's swings and roundabouts though, it'll all be different in 20 years.

When died in the wool Liberals like Gervais speak out as he does, it gives me hope that the far right god fearing folk will be kept in check by the majority of more centrist leaning folk. And of course a more worthy opposition too 

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Observe the difference.

 

Chris in fire and brimstone mode:

 

On 1/4/2020 at 10:11 PM, chrisg said:

This time he really has made a serious blunder and the sad thing is that American lives are very likely to be lost because of him - I hope his heel spurs send him twinges at least.

  

If this does force him into a ridiculous military "adventure" with Iran he's going to be on his own, well, unfortunately Australia will probably kick in, but I'd not rely upon NATO to participate, there is no reason why they should and lots of reasons not to. He cannot expect their assistance when they remain signatories to the nuclear limitations deal that he trashed and it is oil headed to their ports via the Straits of Hormuz that he is putting at risk not his.

 

When the dust settles even the most rabid Trump supporters are going to wonder what the hell he is smoking,

 

By this single act he has put the US on a par with the very people who attacked he embassy a few days ago, except he's killed the guy. Whatever you or I may think of him a highly ranked member of the government of a sovereign nation - that's an act of war. You can be certain the Arabs will be demanding, with more justification than usual, death to the American "pirates" and their friends, Israel especially.

 

This from a President who has claimed repeatedly that he does not want to get into any more wars, that he wants out of the ones he is in, great way to go in that regard.

 

I don't have even the time of day for the theocracy in Iran but the fact is it is the present government of a sovereign nation, basically he really has just declared war on them so he might as well get it over with. Except that will not be as easy as he may think it to be and even in victory he just generates another generation of fanatical terrorists along with a lot more American body bags.

 

Stupidest act imaginable.

 

I'd really like to know which advisor or advisors even put the opportunity to him. America of course keep very close tabs on people like this, but even suggesting taking him out in the back yard of a country you are trying to,  purportedly, help back onto its feet, after destroying it, is a lunatic suggestion, but obviously someone made it...

 

 

On 1/4/2020 at 10:35 PM, chrisg said:

This is, like it or not, a nuclear world with alignments of power including Russia, China and Iran that need to be treated carefully or someone, somewhere will reach for the big guns.

 

Iran, so far as we know, does not yet have nukes, you think this is going to dissuade them from obtaining them even faster than they already were ?

 

A war with Iran has been on the cards for a couple of years but Trump very obviously acted here in his usual uncoordinated manner, caught his own forces flat-footed and has no plan whatsoever of how to deal with the fall-out.

 

Pressed to comment some official, citing anonymity, said the US "could move 700 to 3,000 troops from Italy."

 

Remember how long it took to position for Desert Storm ?

 

America has been building up in the ME the past few months buts it is not even close to being ready to take on Iran in a full war but that is potentially the position Trump has put his military into.

 

On 1/4/2020 at 10:52 PM, chrisg said:

It is going to prove to be the stupidest in a long line of Trump stupidities and it is very, very likely to cost American and Israeli lives.

 

On 1/5/2020 at 2:34 AM, chrisg said:

It's moronic, ill considered, an act of escalation without getting the pieces into place and plain and simply stupid and going to cost the loss of lives unnecessarily.

 

 

On 1/5/2020 at 3:39 AM, chrisg said:

The US has avoided killing such individuals, at least until they are deposed - it is a savage slight upon the Iranian leadership that will inevitably provoke deadly retaliation.

 

On 1/5/2020 at 12:26 PM, chrisg said:

I tend to think that retaliation when it comes, and it will, will be much more bloody.

 

On 1/5/2020 at 3:46 PM, chrisg said:

The evidence suggests that there is a strong under-current of resentment in Iran against the Ayatollahs, but it will not persist if innocent civilians start getting killed and that is where this is heading.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, SquallStrife said:

I don't know whether or not a far-right god-fearing population is a preferable alternative. 


It isn’t. But that’s not the point or the alternative offered.

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🙂

 

Even Trump can have moments of sanity - or be force-fed his meds...

 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, chrisg said:

🙂

 

Even Trump can have moments of sanity - or be force-fed his meds...

 

Cheers

 

I'm reasonably sure Trump is sane. 

Just unconventional. That works to his advantage.

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Posted (edited)

Heh,

 

I'm reasonably sure he's demented - so are many others, but we'll see.

 

Cheers

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"Isn't it pathetic" -- Trump, 2011.

 

Obviously the circumstances are different, but one has to appreciate the irony. 🙂

 

 

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Posted (edited)

I think we all know that Trump’s a hypocrite.

 

However, with respect to Droney McPeaceprize - Trump is 100% correct. Obama could not be trusted to not start a war. His record in that department was not great, some exceptions withstanding.

 

Trump’s record is bulletproof. He doesn’t want, nor has he started wars.

 

What he’s done is used America’s economic and military might for sanctions and bold strikes.

 

You don’t need a war to bring Iran to heel. Sanctions and pinpoint strikes they can’t respond to - should be enough.

 

The problem is the Europeans who are afraid of their own shadows while desperately trying to rid themselves of the last remnants of a backbone.

 

Western civilization contains most of the world’s economic might and military power. If we stop being embarrassed by it and stop splitting politically over the rights of genderqueer mental patients to use opposite sex bathrooms - we might actually make the world a better place by telling outright goat-fuckers like Iran’s Ayatollahs that if they stick their nose out, we’ll cut their heads off.

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Posted (edited)
58 minutes ago, SquallStrife said:

"Isn't it pathetic" -- Trump, 2011.

Sure it might seem hypocritical, now. 

Thing is Trump's Gov. has not started a new war.

They've been working the same war on terror since  Bush's Gov. had to face the supposed beginning of the Terror Attacks

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