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Give yourself the same respect you have on FB then, Leo, and block people like Kimmo. Or give the forums that respect.

 

But don't pretend to play the higher ground when you're often seemingly chomping at the bit to pile on to someone you dislike for the most puerile reasons.

 

But if you're saying you can't help yourself, you've already been given an alternative.

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3 minutes ago, Nich... said:

I think you're being very charitable to the vast proportion of people on this planet, and quite uncharitable to a very small minority that suffers unproportionate persecution in most places they live.


Is the minority toxically heteronormative?

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1 minute ago, Leonid said:

 

But I am not going to give Kimmo the respect it does not deserve.

 

As @eveln observed - I only reply in kind. It’s up to it to stop being abusive (toxically heteronormative hah) and this ends.

 

So what you are saying is:

 

"Whaaa he is a meany and he started it and it's not my fault because I'm not mature enough to stop reacting to him and I keep reading his posts because I don't have the emotional intelligence to turn them off".

 

Tell me again how it's not up to you to moderate yourself?

 

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2 minutes ago, Nich... said:

Give yourself the same respect you have on FB then, Leo, and block people like Kimmo.


I don’t want to block Kimmo. I engage with Kimmo.

 

It’s when it gets abusive that I do too.

 

4 minutes ago, Nich... said:

Or give the forums that respect.


The form that hosts an open anti-Semite?

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3 minutes ago, Leonid said:


Is the minority toxically heteronormative?

People might pay you slightly more heed about the evils of communist russia, I guess, if the persecuted minority wasn't so happy to bully and shit on other persecuted minorities.  Or maybe it's just your face.  🤷‍♀️

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3 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

Tell me again how it's not up to you to moderate yourself?


I am moderating myself. This is the best treatment it’s going to get until it moderates itself and stops being toxically heteronormative.

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1 minute ago, Leonid said:

It’s when it gets abusive that I do too.

CO-dependence on Kimmo? That's your defence?

 

1 minute ago, Leonid said:

The form that hosts an open anti-Semite?

You'll note that there's also a very open and vocal opposition to all of that, too, and it's rare that any of that is asked to be reined in.

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1 minute ago, Nich... said:

People might pay you slightly more heed about the evils of communist russia, I guess, if the persecuted minority wasn't so happy to bully and shit on other persecuted minorities.  Or maybe it's just your face.  🤷‍♀️


So we gotta stop paying out anti-vaxxers and scientologists?

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1 minute ago, Leonid said:


So we gotta stop paying out anti-vaxxers and scientologists?

I mean it's your call.  Be a bully and get your shits and giggles, or try and actually effect change.

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1 minute ago, Nich... said:

CO-dependence on Kimmo? That's your defence?


If you run at a wall, you’re gonna get hurt.

If you don’t run at a wall it won’t hurt you.

 

Kimmo has made it it’s mission to run at a wall. The choice remains with Kimmo.

 

Kimmo stops. I stop. Kimmo starts. I reply.

I don’t start.

 

We’ve had a thread about this. Would you like me to dig it out?

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🙂

 

Way to broaden the field - I'm staying out of this but FTR Kimmo is a lot easier to get along with  🙂

 

Cheers

 

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7 minutes ago, Nich... said:

I mean it's your call.  Be a bully and get your shits and giggles, or try and actually effect change.


I would like an answer tho. Is there some sort of minority that is immune from ridicule on the basis of their ridiculous beliefs?

5 minutes ago, chrisg said:

🙂

 

Way to broaden the field - I'm staying out of this but FTR Kimmo is a lot easier to get along with  🙂

 

Cheers

 

 

He’s on the far left. You’re on the left. I get it.
 

9 minutes ago, Nich... said:

You'll note that there's also a very open and vocal opposition to all of that, too


I can’t see it but I’ll take your word on it.


My point is this forum hosts an open anti-Semite. You asked me to give this forum the respect it deserves.

 

You tell me...

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3 minutes ago, Leonid said:


I would like an answer tho. Is there some sort of minority that is immune from ridicule on the basis of their ridiculous beliefs?

 

He’s on the far left. You’re on the left. I get it.

 


 

 

 

🙂

 

No on the side of what I believe in, which is not Communism but the other extreme is just as bad.

 

Cheers

 

 

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2 minutes ago, chrisg said:

 

No on the side of what I believe in, which is not Communism but the other extreme is just as bad.


You’ll get no argument from me. Nazis are bad. Communists/socialists are bad.

 

And all need to be thoroughly resisted.

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Yeah,

 

But cheering on McCarthy might not be a good look...

 

Cheers

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Leonid said:

My point is this forum hosts an open anti-Semite. You asked me to give this forum the respect it deserves.

 

You tell me...

You tell me what you think is more important, free speech or banning people you don't agree with because they're stupid and believe stupid things for stupid reasons?

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12 minutes ago, Leonid said:


I am moderating myself. This is the best treatment it’s going to get until it moderates itself and stops being toxically heteronormative.

 

No worries. I'm not afraid to ban you if that's what is required.

 

Nich can whine all he likes. I'm not afraid to ban Kimmo either if he deserves it.  I won't tolerate anti-Semites but I also won't pander to your insecurity.

 

Here is your warning and Kimmos. Quit it.  Don't engage. Or I will ban.

 

I'm over it.  From both of you.  Got it?

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22 minutes ago, Nich... said:

You tell me what you think is more important, free speech or banning people you don't agree with because they're stupid and believe stupid things for stupid reasons?


Free speech works fine doesn’t it?

if you’re not banning anti-semites why ban me for abusing Kimmo not on the colour of its skin but on the content of its character?

 

Like you said. Respect it deserves 🙂

 

20 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

I won't tolerate anti-Semites


And yet you do. I’m secure enough not to worry too much about it.

 

But don’t try to pretend this forum grows unicorns and farts roses.

 

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept and DMB is here. If you accept DMB, you accept anything less than that.

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23 minutes ago, chrisg said:

But cheering on McCarthy might not be a good look...


Definitely. I get on well with all kinds of people. I have a green-voting employee, I had an employee who had a cross and bible verses tattooed on his neck and torso.

 

But if you can’t criticise your own kind or your own ideology and continuously call for the establishment of policies designed to destroy welfare systems, the social fabric and drop the middle class into abject poverty... you get all the rights... but not any respect.

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5 minutes ago, Leonid said:

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept and DMB is here. If you accept DMB, you accept anything less than that.

 

DMB is here as he hasn't quite crossed the line yet. He has opinions. His opinions are often ridiculous and generally laughed at by the community at large.  But he generally isn't abusive to any particular members (other than their common sense).

 

We are a left leaning community that doesn't generally tolerate much in the way of religious hokum. 

 

I didn't realise you were holding him to a standard to aspire to.

 

If you want to be treated as a joke, post stuff that is supposed to be contraversial, but is actually just "stuff". If you want to be banned, be abusive and disrespectful to other members.

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3 hours ago, Nich... said:

Yes, sure, no-one is a saint.  But also it's not like Leo and I don't communicate elsewhere online, in places an increasing member of remaining active Atomicans fear to tread.  I don't have to feign gratitude because he, too, still pops in to Atomic.

I don't see the need for anyone to feign gratitude or anything else. But hey it's been mentioned a few times about the absence of new people here ... I'd suggest that it's nothing to do with the perceived politics of the place, but how we don't manage to disagree

without ganging up and getting all personal about it. I reckon a good angry "stamping of feet" ( thanks @hulkster )  is possible without having to try and personally destroy the opponent.

 

3 hours ago, Nich... said:


But it also means I get to see a lot of the same thing, over and over, in different places online, over the years.

Sorry Nich, but that sounds like a first world issue ! so sad.

3 hours ago, Nich... said:


If you think you're right, of course you're going to argue your point of view (if you have the disposition and energy).  So no-one is begrudhing Leo that point.  Just that so many people are wrong about so many things, because Leo is better read and better versed and better travelled.  Alternative hypothesis is that Leo just likes to argue about many topics with many people, no matter what.

All of this is yours to deal with as you see fit. fb plays no part in this world ... also, how do you lot get any work done ?! I was getting in scruffy1's, and the peanut gallery just after him,  about their singling out of Leonid for posting what and the way he does. It was bully -boy shit from the days waaaay back

3 hours ago, Nich... said:

 

Sometimes.  Less people show up than the number that stay away, at this point.

This place has been left to be what it wants to be for a long time, now, and the results are telling.

Inane. I repeat ...

" But hey it's been mentioned a few times about the absence of new people here ... I'd suggest that it's nothing to do with the perceived politics of the place, but how we don't manage to disagree

without ganging up and getting all personal about it. I reckon a good angry "stamping of feet" ( thanks @hulkster )  is possible without having to try and personally destroy the opponent."

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7 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

DMB is here as he hasn't quite crossed the line yet


I think you’ve just outdone Trump.

 

8 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

He has opinions.


Ain’t that the truth.

 

8 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

His opinions are often ridiculous


Are we still on DMB or on Kimmo? 
 

9 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

But he generally isn't abusive to any particular members


He gets abusive. Run your eye over a few threads.

 

Thats not the point. The master of abuse on this forum is Kimmo.

 

I might have strong opinions but I don’t abuse members. But if they abuse me they cop everything they have coming to them.

 

10 minutes ago, Chaos.Lady said:

If you want to be treated as a joke, post stuff that is supposed to be contraversial, but is actually just "stuff". If you want to be banned, be abusive and disrespectful to other members.


The standard you walk pst is the standard you accept.

 

While an open anti-Semite and an abusive socialist is on this forum, you accept that as the standard and incur the respect that deserves.

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2 hours ago, scruffy1 said:

 

using the descriptor "whining" is hardly appropriate or accurate

I didn't use it, nor am I Leonid's grammar nazi.

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Also, I’ll point out that I’m an adult and so is Kimmo.

 

If we wanna call each other something up to the limits of open racism which is the standard this forum accepts - why are you interfering?

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3 minutes ago, Leonid said:

While an open anti-Semite and an abusive socialist is on this forum, you accept that as the standard and incur the respect that deserves.

 

Your focus on a single individual is just sad. You have been warned and I'm done. I see little difference between all three of you.

 

You claim no respect but also deserve none.   You are correct in a way. The standard you are setting is way below what I would like to see here. It's not up to you to set the standard for Kimmo or DMB.

 

The standard you are setting in yourself tells us all we need to know. You are incapable of being a better person than the lowest standard that is set. And that's ultimately the saddest aspect of this.

 

Thread derail over. Next step is lock. You have been warned and I'm done.

 

I'll let you get back on track if you are able or if it's considered worth it though before any action is taken.

2 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Also, I’ll point out that I’m an adult and so is Kimmo.

 

If we wanna call each other something up to the limits of open racism which is the standard this forum accepts - why are you interfering?

 

You aren't acting like an adult and I am the mod here. I do not condone the behaviour so I will interfere. Or moderate. I don't care what language you use.  I'm also not interested in arguing it with you.

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