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theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.

 

46 minutes ago, Leonid said:

(i) a minimum clear width of 900mm between the walls of the bathroom if located in a separate room; and

(ii) a minimum 1200mm clear circulation space forward of the toilet pan exclusive of the swing of the door. 

 

At least point (ii) is a shitload bigger than ANY cubicle I've ever been in.

 

what are those?  guidelines for domestic shitters?  as to the 1200mm length, that seems like a desirably luxurious size, but unless for some strange reason its the legal minimum for unisex bathrooms, your point is? 

ive used unisex facilities that had multiple cubicles with thin but dense floor to ceiling panelling between them, all within the same room. 

 

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.

 

46 minutes ago, Leonid said:

I really would love it if you could justify this statistic.

 

you, for instance, apparently strive to do most of your shitting verbally. 

 

its a truism that people generally shit once a day, and if they can help it, they far prefer the privacy and comfort of their own throne.  you...you...actually...need this explained to you...

 

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.

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In the middle of Port right near Coles ,target, and some eateries, The council have placed a corridor with four different doors

1: Men's loos

2: ladies' loos

3: Parenting room

4: wheelchair access loo

seems one more door could say "  unisex loos "

 

Public loos are always going to differ depending on the locale they're to be put in.

The thing about enclosed cubicles is ventilation isn't it ? That's going to add drama ( costs ). Granted cold climes probably won't feel the dire need for vents perhaps, but different story in the heat. A person could die taking a crap.

Assuming that people don't tend to shit in public loos is forgetting the lack of privacy in hotel rooms these days. If people are sharing a room you can bet your last buck that at least one of them will opt to go crap in the public area loos of the hotel.

A great holiday is not gonna happen with the daunting aroma of each other's craps to survive.

A stand alone building designed for toilets is maybe the only time a " public loo " will be able to offer ventilation in each enclosed cubicle.  And even then it's down to the particular council and their care factor

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3 hours ago, @~thehung said:

its a truism that people generally shit once a day, and if they can help it, they far prefer the privacy and comfort of their own throne.  you...you...actually...need this explained to you...

lol.

And here I was thinking I was the only one speaking from my privileged position ! Think about the growing number of homeless out there . They have to use the public loo as their home " throne "

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3 hours ago, @~thehung said:

guidelines for domestic shitters? 


guidelines for building enclosed toilets

so yeah - no economies of scale. And no improvement

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3 hours ago, @~thehung said:

you, for instance, apparently strive to do most of your shitting verbally. 


I’m so glad we’re having this conversation right now because I’ve always thought the same about you.

 

3 hours ago, @~thehung said:

its a truism that people generally shit once a day, and if they can help it, they far prefer the privacy and comfort of their own throne.  you...you...actually...need this explained to you...


I prefer being at home but do you...you...actually need it explained to you that most of my daylight hours are spent elsewhere?

 

I also prefer to shit at home.

 

But when I need to go, I need to go. And that’s a public toilet. A public male toilet.

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3 hours ago, @~thehung said:

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.


I’m going to make a point of finding a 2-bay toaster vs a 4-bay. Because most are double.

 

But that’s not even the point. Requirements differ between cubicles and full toilet enclosures + toilet enclosures replacing urinals consumes even more space

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There is no way I'm getting into a competition of who has the biggest or best toaster.

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We have a 4 bay almost square chunky block of a toaster atm. In the past we've had a longer narrower version of 4 bay toaster.

Different styles is all.

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14 hours ago, Leonid said:

Unisex toilets are to women’s sanitation what trans athletes are to women’s sport.

When you try to make a point but make it muddier.

 

14 hours ago, Leonid said:


It’s the same story every single time. In much the same way as socialists impoverish the poor, social justice warriors permanently destroy indigenous cultures into welfare dependency, gender fluidity activists clearly hate women but lack the intellectual honesty of incels who can at least admit it.

 

Stop trying to create a world where obvious differences in requirements and optimisations for these are ignored in favour of an equality, biology has preordained to not exist.

 

Men and women - the only two genders, have different plumbing. Women MUST sit whereas men have choices depending on activity.

 

Anyone who’s been to a male toilet in a busy area is well acquainted with piss on seats which is largely impossible in a women’s toilet.

 

In unisex toilets you are FORCING women to deal with sanitation issues not of their gender for some fucked up ideological purpose.

 

Stop being utter cunts to women.

That's a pretty laughable strawman, but maybe you want to talk to more women about the mess left in women's toilets, especially on seats.

Also you may need to make up your mind: advocating for urinals where by definition you stand in piss, but also advocating against unisex toilets because people might... stand in piss.

 

14 hours ago, Rybags said:

I'm surprised the SJW brigade hasn't proposed squat dunnies on the basis that some cultures squat when they drop the Manly supporters off at the pool.

I'm not at all surprised that the anti-pc brigade is so lacking in imagination.

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10 hours ago, Leonid said:

On urinals. Yes. On toilets - depends.

Is a mobile phone and a riveting conversation on Atomic involved?

I really would love it if you could justify this statistic.

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1 minute ago, Nich... said:

I really would love it if you could justify this statistic.

 

What statistic?

7 minutes ago, Nich... said:

When you try to make a point but make it muddier.

 

Look it may have been a shitty point, but it's still miles ahead of the utter stupidity of replacing gender-segregated bathrooms with unisex ones.

 

8 minutes ago, Nich... said:

That's a pretty laughable strawman, but maybe you want to talk to more women about the mess left in women's toilets, especially on seats.

 

As a man, I've not been to a female toilet. All I can say is that women don't typically have aiming problems.

 

9 minutes ago, Nich... said:

 Also you may need to make up your mind: advocating for urinals where by definition you stand in piss, but also advocating against unisex toilets because people might... stand in piss.

 

Nich I'm about to blow your mind. You can stand back from a urinal. You don't need to be in it.

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6 hours ago, eveln said:

The thing about enclosed cubicles is ventilation isn't it ? That's going to add drama ( costs ). Granted cold climes probably won't feel the dire need for vents perhaps, but different story in the heat. A person could die taking a crap.

You could have mesh and vents and clear spaces too.  It just needs to be low enough and small enough to not have people looking under, and high enough to not be easily look-over-able, right?

 

They don't need to be enclosed fully, that's just a simple setup for places that're running extraction in the bathroom anyway.

I'm not sure which option works out better for privacy vs cleaning.

5 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Look it may have been a shitty point, but it's still miles ahead of the utter stupidity of replacing gender-segregated bathrooms with unisex ones.

You say this like it isn't already commonly done.

 

5 minutes ago, Leonid said:

As a man, I've not been to a female toilet. All I can say is that women don't typically have aiming problems.

As a man, how often do you sit on a public toilet vs not sit on it, when using it for usages that traditionally require sitting?
 

5 minutes ago, Leonid said:

Nich I'm about to blow your mind. You can stand back from a urinal. You don't need to be in it.

So your solution for men who don't want to stand in urine, at a public urinal, where men are so notorious for having bad aim that it's one of your major points, is to... stand further back from the urinal and spread the urine more effectively across the floor?

I'm about to blow your mind, but given my go-to shoes aren't waterproof, this is probably something I notice a lot more than you.  But feel free to lecture me some more.

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6 minutes ago, Nich... said:

You say this like it isn't already commonly done.

 

It isn't commonly done.

It's only done by smaller restaurants with space constraints.

 

Nobody (or almost nobody) has actually smashed out male and female bathrooms and combined them into one with the same number of cubicles.

7 minutes ago, Nich... said:

As a man, how often do you sit on a public toilet vs not sit on it, when using it for usages that traditionally require sitting?

 

I actually do not like using urinals unless I'm in a hurry or the cubicles are busy or someone's had a party in the cubicles.

I prefer to sit

8 minutes ago, Nich... said:

So your solution for men who don't want to stand in urine, at a public urinal, where men are so notorious for having bad aim that it's one of your major points, is to... stand further back from the urinal and spread the urine more effectively across the floor?

 

My solution is not to stand in the urinal which is what you seem to be advocating. Yes stand back from it - as designed.

 

Furthermore, the advantage of standing in piss relative to sitting in a pissed-in cubicle is that when you're sitting your pants are around your ankles. If you're wearing looser shorts, they're touching the floor.

10 minutes ago, Nich... said:

I'm about to blow your mind, but given my go-to shoes aren't waterproof, this is probably something I notice a lot more than you.  But feel free to lecture me some more.

 

Well if you're inviting me... sure.

1. What kinds of toilets do you frequent where the depth of the piss-stains exceeds the height of the sole of your shoes?

2. If 1 is not the problem, how worn down do you let your shoes get?

 

 

I'm still waiting by the way: can anyone demonstrate a single advantage of smashing out gendered bathrooms to replace them with unisex ones?

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2 minutes ago, Leonid said:

 

It isn't commonly done.

It's only done by smaller restaurants with space constraints.

 

Nobody (or almost nobody) has actually smashed out male and female bathrooms and combined them into one with the same number of cubicles.

You need to visit more outdoors concerts.  You still occasionally see trailers, which end up being gender segregated - one trailer male, one female - but the vast majority are single portaloos, lined up as space dictates in long lines.

 

2 minutes ago, Leonid said:

I actually do not like using urinals unless I'm in a hurry or the cubicles are busy or someone's had a party in the cubicles.

I prefer to sit

Ask more female friends/family members/probably not colleagues how often they refuse to sit on a public toilet but still need to use it. 

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1 minute ago, Nich... said:

You need to visit more outdoors concerts.  You still occasionally see trailers, which end up being gender segregated - one trailer male, one female - but the vast majority are single portaloos, lined up as space dictates in long lines.

 

A portaloo isn't a unisex toilet in the same way your home toilet isn't a unisex toilet.

It's a private fully self-contained space that you share with no-one else. There's nobody in there with you.

2 minutes ago, Nich... said:

Ask more female friends/family members/probably not colleagues how often they refuse to sit on a public toilet but still need to use it. 

 

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't want to use a public toilet - that is your own prerogative.

It's a free country.

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@Leonid I'm not sure if hating on women is it, in total. I think it's more the idea of letting us know, that regardless of the unique wonderful perfect beings we think we are,when all is said and done, at the end of the day, we all gotta shit and piss the same way

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8 hours ago, eveln said:

lol.

And here I was thinking I was the only one speaking from my privileged position ! Think about the growing number of homeless out there . They have to use the public loo as their home " throne "


hmm. 

 

and here i was thinking that when i said "i am not suggesting we should or could have them everywhere", and repeatedly  "they wouldnt be appropriate or viable for every kind of venue and demographic" that no sane person would assume i was saying that unisex toilets would be viable and appropriate for the 0.5% of homeless in this country.

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2 hours ago, Leonid said:

 

A portaloo isn't a unisex toilet in the same way your home toilet isn't a unisex toilet.

It's a private fully self-contained space that you share with no-one else. There's nobody in there with you.

Ah yes, a fully self contained space with noone else in there with you.  Unlike all of the toilet stalls in both male and female public toilets out there, where you... what, have someone standing in there to hold your bag and coat while you sit down and unlock your phone?

 

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As far as I'm concerned, if you don't want to use a public toilet - that is your own prerogative.

It's a free country.

I don't know of anyone that *wants* to use a public toilet.  It's all about how urgent the need is.  But that has nothing to do with what I was saying.

 

12 hours ago, @~thehung said:

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2. 

 

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.

 

theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2.

 

20 minutes ago, @~thehung said:


hmm. 

 

and here i was thinking that when i said "i am not suggesting we should or could have them everywhere", and repeatedly  "they wouldnt be appropriate or viable for every kind of venue and demographic" that no sane person would assume i was saying that unisex toilets would be viable and appropriate for the 0.5% of homeless in this country.

To be fair, they may've been confused by the repeated times you mentioned architectural toasters.

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7 minutes ago, Nich... said:

Ah yes, a fully self contained space with noone else in there with you.  Unlike all of the toilet stalls in both male and female public toilets out there, where you... what, have someone standing in there to hold your bag and coat while you sit down and unlock your phone?


If I can see their feet in the cubicle next to mine or hear unmuffled conversation - that is as much a self-contained space as a male-female trans is a polar bear.

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8 hours ago, Leonid said:

guidelines for building enclosed toilets

 

yep, guidelines.  for building enclosed single toilets.  ergo, irrelevant.

 

and yes, and well done mate, you know how to shit in a public toilet without assistance from a grown up.  newsflash!  i use them too on occasion.  doesnt change the fact that male cubicles are underutilised compared to women's because most people shit at home whenever possible, which for the majority of people, is the majority of the time.  comparatively, they get limited use, predominantly for peeing by those whose first preference was the urinals which were occupado or too crowded. 

 

here's something that you may not have considered: theres economies of scale at play architecturally: a toaster that does 4 slices is not double the volume of one that does 2

 

compare the pair:

 

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Sunbeam Quantum Plus 2 Slice
H x W x D    19 x 16.5 x 27 = 8,464.5 cm^3

 

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Sunbeam Quantum Plus 4 Slice
19.5 x 17.0 x 38.5 = 12,762.75 cm^3

 

double the toast, but only 50% bigger

 

how can it be!

because 4 structural outer walls, not 8

because 1 power supply, not 2
because 1 circuit board, not 2

 

i know, i know...your tiny mind is blown

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Nich... said:

To be fair, they may've been confused by the repeated times you mentioned architectural toasters.


Just to be clear... we’re still on toasters?

Just now, @~thehung said:

doesnt change the fact that male cubicles are underutilised compared to women's because most people shit at home whenever possible, which for the majority of people, is the majority of the time.  comparatively, they get limited use, predominantly for peeing by those whose first preference was the urinals which were occupado or too crowded. 


So how do you do urinals in a unisex? And moreover what exactly do you achieve beneficially from a unisex?

 

I will give you a 4-slice toaster for a non-ridiculous answer

3 minutes ago, @~thehung said:

double the toast, but only 50% bigger


Yeah but the four-slice one still can’t slice a loaf.

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4 minutes ago, Leonid said:


If I can see their feet in the cubicle next to mine or hear unmuffled conversation - that is as much a self-contained space as a male-female trans is a polar bear.

So your argument against having better toilets for everyone is you don't like seeing people's feet in the stall beside you, but don't want that changed?

 

4 minutes ago, Leonid said:

So how do you do urinals in a unisex? And moreover what exactly do you achieve beneficially from a unisex?
 

I will give you a 4-slice toaster for a non-ridiculous answer

You don't.  You skip urinals, and as a bonus avoid people feeling uncomfortable when it's busy and someone insists on standing elbow to elbow with you, rather than waiting for someone to finish and step off.

Kicking goals left right and centre, here.

Was that toaster open to everyone?  Is pickup OK?

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