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For the ram, I would try keeping the timings you have currently that docp/xmp has set... Then move the infinity and ram bandwidth up at the same time.  In asus bios for infinity, divide ram bandwidth by 2, so if you set you ram to 3400, set infinity to 1700.  Do tests and then try 3600 ram and 1800 infinity.  I'd keep going till it won't post, then tighten timings.  Cpu-z will show them matched for ram/infinity under memory tab.  There's benefits for raising the ram and infinity with most being able to run the infinity to at least 3600/1800, but you might have to loosen the ram timings as you raise bandwidth.   The infinity limit is 1900 for most all chips and the 2 I have tried could "only" go to 3733/1867.  You might want to set you ram boot voltage on your ram to what you have your ram voltage.  Also, might need to raise ram voltage as you move up.  I'm not sure the safe limits if your is micron chips but usually 1.45v should be safe from default of 1.35v.

 

Pbo only gives like 25-75mhz more even with water for all core stress tests.  But then you use much more power. 

 

AMD sees more from ram/infinity. 

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From DRAM Calc, FWIW - had to guess they were micron e chips.

Is it literally just unplug all unneeded SATA drives, pump RAM and IF speeds and see what does and doesn't POST, then go back and refine?  Or boot into windows or linux and run a few things to see if it crashes, and then back to BIOS?

 

 

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In the past I had a SATA 2 HDD that would slam it's head so hard it sounded like it was going to smash about once every 10 sec just because it's firmware was not compatible with the SATA 3 controller on my MB so maybe one of your drives has a similar problem.

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2 hours ago, Dasa said:

In the past I had a SATA 2 HDD that would slam it's head so hard it sounded like it was going to smash about once every 10 sec just because it's firmware was not compatible with the SATA 3 controller on my MB so maybe one of your drives has a similar problem.

That's... crazy, but also I think everything in this box is SATA3 now.

Which reminds me, now that my SATA3 external dock is sitting on a fast SATA3 port, I need to dig out any old SSDs lying around and too small to use to see how fast it goes (and the same for USB3 thumbdrives) <.<

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Might still be worth checking if there is a firmware update for the drive that is acting up or if possible test in another PC as it may still be a compatibility issue with the controler, regardless you want to make sure it is backed up.

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My case has a similar layout - PSU at the bottom and drives inserted sideways with the power/SATA at the back.

 

The problem with PSU at the bottom - often the CPU Aux power to the motherboard is right near the top and you can strain to get the cable over the graphics card - though in theory you could route it through the little void at the bottom of the card either side of the edge connector.

The SATA cables can be a problem in that they're actually too close to the drives and you end up with all that slack to deal with.  Plus the void between the side cover and power/Sata cables quickly gets eaten up.

 

With mine I've been thinking about just putting the drives in backwards and having the cables present at the side that you usually open to do maintenence.

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On 12/01/2020 at 9:31 PM, Rybags said:

My case has a similar layout - PSU at the bottom and drives inserted sideways with the power/SATA at the back.

 

The problem with PSU at the bottom - often the CPU Aux power to the motherboard is right near the top and you can strain to get the cable over the graphics card - though in theory you could route it through the little void at the bottom of the card either side of the edge connector.

The SATA cables can be a problem in that they're actually too close to the drives and you end up with all that slack to deal with.  Plus the void between the side cover and power/Sata cables quickly gets eaten up.

 

With mine I've been thinking about just putting the drives in backwards and having the cables present at the side that you usually open to do maintenence.

My last few cases have been like that.  I always mounted them with the cable/connector edge facing to the left side of the case for better access.

On this one tho', that entire section is reversed, there's no drive access from the left side. 

Which I'm ok with.  I mean I have no glass panel to need it for the looks, but also my case is to the left of me, so it makes it easier for me to pull the right panel off to fiddle with drives.

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My current one has a couple of removable bays that you can reorientate......................but I have drilled rivets out before and remounted them to suit.

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Could you please run aida64 memory benchmark?  Curious on what latency you get

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Nice to see background CPU usage dropped from 65% to 1% but is your CPU stuck at base clocks?

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4 hours ago, gamble said:

Could you please run aida64 memory benchmark?  Curious on what latency you get

Yep, setting it up now.  Was going to last night but got too tired.
 

47 minutes ago, Dasa said:

Nice to see background CPU usage dropped from 65% to 1% but is your CPU stuck at base clocks?

It's... according to Ryzen Master, not.  But everything else reports it sitting 100% at base clocks.  Ideally I should be running the benchmarks with nothing else running, but I'm not.  Closing game launchers and firefox is well enough, but there'd be a lot of python services I'd need to manually pause.  It's just weird because I have taskmanager open on the second screen (along with Afterburner) to track CPU core usage and temps and etc, and they didn't show CPU usage high in the background.

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10 hours ago, gamble said:

Could you please run aida64 memory benchmark?  Curious on what latency you get

CPU			CPU Clock	Chipset	Memory		CL-RCD-RP-RAS  
8x Ryzen 7 3700X HT	3800 MHz	X570	Dual DDR4-3200	16-18-18-36 CR1	

Memory Read:    45225 MB/s
Memory Write:    25586 MB/s
Memory Copy:    45894 MB/s
Memory Latency:    81.8 ns

CPU Queen:    87849
CPU PhotoWorxx:    23511 MPixel/s
CPU ZLib:    762.0 MB/s
CPU AES:    68204 MB/s
CPU SHA3:    2335 MB/s
FPU Julia:    73831
FPU Mandel:    39266
FPU SinJulia:    13065
FP32 Ray-Trace:    14479 KRay/s
FP64 Ray-Trace:    8229 KRay/s

 

I assume that (the memory part, at least) is what you're after?

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Thx!  So, this is stock setting on everything with all my crap running in the background:

 

--------[ Memory Read ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4400 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1            50348 MB/s


--------[ Memory Write ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4300 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1            28728 MB/s


--------[ Memory Copy ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4300 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1            50809 MB/s


--------[ Memory Latency ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Ryzen 5 3600X           4400 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1       72.0 ns


--------[ CPU Queen ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4342 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1         78233


--------[ CPU PhotoWorxx ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4300 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1        26448 MPixel/s


--------[ CPU ZLib ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4300 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1            630.4 MB/s


--------[ CPU AES ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4242 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1    55887 MB/s


--------[ CPU SHA3 ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4242 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1             1896 MB/s


--------[ FPU Julia ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4267 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1         60026


--------[ FPU Mandel ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4242 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1         31816


--------[ FPU SinJulia ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4367 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1         10930


--------[ FP32 Ray-Trace ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4200 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1  11815 KRay/s


--------[ FP64 Ray-Trace ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    6x Ryzen 5 3600X HT     4142 MHz  Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)                                       X570                  Dual DDR4-3600        16-19-19-39 CR1   6640 KRay/s

 

If I bump it up to 3733mhz on the ram/infinity I can get down to 68ns.  I added a DIMM cooler but didn't help with OC so far.  

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  Gambit Nich N/G
PC CPU 3600x 3700x  
PC RAM 3600 16-19-19-39 3200 16-18-18-36  
Memory read 50348 MB/s 45225 MB/s 90%
Memory Write 28728 MB/s 25586 MB/s 89%
Memory Copy 50809 MB/s 45894 MB/s 90%
Memory Latency 72.0 ns 81.8 ns 113%
CPU Queen 78233 87849 112%
CPU PhotoWorxx 26448 MPixel/s 23511 MPixel/s 89%
CPU ZLib 630.4 MB/s 762.0 MB/s 121%
CPU AES 55887 MB/s 68204 MB/s 122%
CPU SHA3 1896 MB/s 2335 MB/s 123%
FPU JUlia 60026 73831 123%
FPU Mandel 31816 39266 123%
FPU SinJulia 10930 13065 120%
FP32 Raytrace 11815 KRay/s 14479 KRay/s 123%
FP64 Raytrace 6640 KRay/s 8229 KRay/s 124%

 

Thanks.  Gives me a few things to aim for when I get around to bumping RAM speed.  And to see just what speeds the cores are running at on the CPU.

 

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 Small steps:

 

Following the rather simplistic steps given here, I had a tinker with my GPU (Asus STRIX GTX970 OC) using Afterburner. 

Relatively disapointed that it kept hitting the voltage imit and I thought this was something to be overcome - nope, it's BIOS locked.
Moved on from that, and bumped the power limit to 120%, tweaked the fan curve a little, and tried to play with clocks.

Best I got (ie, unigine's valley benchmark CTD'd/BSOD'd) were 250/250 boosts to core and clock, so I brought it back to 150/150.

As far as unigine bench results, I think the highest that completed gave an average of 70.6 fps (min 33.1, max 132.7) for a score of 2953.  The more stable spec was 68.4/33.1/121.3/2864.   For comparison, stock settings (I think, maybe?) gave 68.6/20.3/127.2/2872.

 

I'll have a poke around later this week with some more games to see if it makes a meaningful difference (before bumping any of those, it looks like WoW in a raid was mostly sitting around 45-50 fps and not dropping too far, which was a nice change - I'm assuming more CPU and RAM headroom meant background stuff wasn't bogging the game down thanks to Intel's lack of HT.

 

 

Now to read up a little more on RAM, given I've basically stopped trying to get Ryzen Master to even load.

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