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13 hours ago, eveln said:

Chaos.Lady is on record in that now locked thread ... "

Posted Friday at 08:01 PM

" We are a left leaning community ... . "

 

Surely being 'woke' is what the left leaning folk pride their selves in being 


imho youre blowing a throw away line out of proportion.  it wasnt put forth as the reason or justification for the suspension.

 

i too, am uncomfortable with anything that comes off as an official designation of "our" political persuasions, because little good can come from insinuating that anyone whose politics skew even slightly conservative is unwelcome. i do understand if that was your take.

 

however, i do agree with what i understood to be the intended meaning, despite not thinking the accompanying connotations were advised.  i think what chaos is referring to are things like principles of free speech and free expression.  in that respect, we are hardly a conservative community.  such ideals are a legacy of western enlightenment, and the left.  as a group, we favour science and reason over religious dogma and fundamentalism (ie. the "religious hokum" context you omitted from the quote).  we are small 'l' liberals in that we welcome all colours and creeds etc.  

 

under the stewardship of one DH we decided to dispense with hate speech against gays.  protecting freedom of expression can be paradoxical like that; we put ensuring that we are welcoming to everyone above anyone's right to throw around terms like faggot.  in a similar, and very consistent vein, we also tend to frown on people who execute personal vendettas against other members, or repeatedly characterise all transgender people as mentally ill perverted freaks, just to name a few totally random examples.  and its not like, as an average over time the mods have ever been heavy handed.  quite forgiving and very patient, if anything.  case in point: as it stands, i am unclear if repeatedly characterising arab muslims as goat-fuckers is completely off the table — which is testament to the powers that be having a far longer fuse here than you would get it in many other places that value robust free speech less.

 

as for 'left leaning' and 'woke', in my opinion you have a somewhat distorted view of these terms.

 

firstly, its the lean part youre massively downplaying.  i lean left.  because i have a strong libertarian streak, which in the current climate is more often a right of centre ideal.  whilst left and right can be used as static labels, 'leaning' strongly implies a loose conglomeration of left and right affinities that may be fluid, but among which the left side is slightly more abundant.  so its not a very strong designation at all.  i believe you support gay marriage.  on that particular issue you skew left.  if i was in charge of the world, i'd use eugenics to phase gingers out.  in that regard at least, i skew far right :D.  but in the final analysis, i lean left.

 

as for wokeness, its a neologism that has sprung up and is quickly morphing into a parody of itself.  whether or not, or how quickly that change is perceived may depend on the vantage point of one's echochamber.  

 

among the consistently left-leaning vast majority of my friends and family, they have plenty of negative things to say about many ideas and attitudes they perceive as far-left which they are increasingly likely to deride by way of the shorthand of them falling under the umbrella of so called wokeness.  i dont know if this is surprising or counter-intuitive to you?  

 

sure, the aforementioned people supported gay marriage, which until such time as the definition crystalises into something unambiguous, is a 'woke' idea, and have many other ideals you could call woke.  but with the word's definition currently in a superposition between liberalism and self-parody, i do not think its accurate to say being 'woke' is what left-leaning folk pride themselves as being.

 

based on what i am aware of at least, were it up to me, i probably wouldnt have suspended Leo.  however, he's needed a good arse chewing from on high for quite a while.  but thats easier said than done.  it wasnt up to me — i dont have the responsibility, and dont want it, but i am thankful to those who have taken it on.  had i got involved as an ordinary forum member then i would just be another person trying to get people out of a cesspit by climbing down into it.  thats why forums everywhere, no matter how hands-off, need people with the authority to dispense law and order.  back in the day, i mightve criticised the response.  but since we are such a small forum now, and we exist by the grace of barely a handful of people willing to take on the burden of running this place for so little reward — i am disinclined to bite the hand that feeds.  and i dont presume i am aware of every factor that went into the decision.

 

 

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2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

mho youre blowing a throw away line out of proportion.  it wasnt put forth as the reason or justification for the suspension.

don't believe I said it was. In fact I know i didn't .

2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

 

based on what i am aware of at least, were it up to me, i probably wouldnt have suspended Leo.

I agree.

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2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

he's needed a good arse chewing from on high for quite a while.

disagree with that. He's waaay less unctuous than some of us that continue on here blithely telling all and sundry how credible we  are

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2 hours ago, @~thehung said:

but since we are such a small forum now, and we exist by the grace of barely a handful of people willing to take on the burden of running this place for so little reward — i am disinclined to bite the hand that feeds. 

It's a two way street we're able to be here cos Ben and co. are willing to run it. They can do that cos we're all still here promoting it.

 

Nich seems to be able to pop in and have all sorts of confronts with anyone without having to use his mod title. Chaos.Lady comes in ohhhh so rarely and jokingly at first swings her truncheon, just in case we might have forgotten she's a mod. And then when one of us is fed up with her high and mighty ways and decides to not take her 'joke', shit hits the fan and thread closes and people get threatened with a ban. ffs 

 

Yeah it's okay  ... I'll  put myself on suspension for a while and go play some tanks and stuff and watch some netflix ...

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What I'm getting, @eveln, is that you're upset that a shitstirring thread that you were enjoying got locked, and Leo decided to leave and whatever Kimmo did in a thread I didn't read.  And sure, you've every right to be upset.  But it feels a bit rich for you to try and paint the mods into a corner for rather trite reasons, and sidestep any and all responsibility you have for your own words, preferring to take ours out of context - as well as placing some in our mouth.
 

Suspensions were handed out for at least one member continuing to be abusive after being asked to refrain - or, lest you want to take that out of context too, being abusive and when called upon it refusing to rule it out again in the immediate future.  The thread was locked for going nowhere fast after it descended into arguing with direct mod requests that were upholding the forum guidelines/rules/whatever you want to call them.  If the thread was locked because it wasn't going 'our' way, then it was pages/weeks/months too late.  That's not what happened.  That Leo was suspended for refusing to curtail his abusiveness at some members wasn't a personal grudge or vendetta, either.  If it were, we could have suspended him and locked his threads on hundreds of prior occasions, when we've disagreed about things passionately.  To belabor the point, I thought some of the points he raised in among it all in that locked thread were salient enough that I asked him privately to raise them in a new thread, to better focus discussion.  That he demurred was understandable, because it wasn't a thread I particularly wanted to make, either.

Now, if you'd prefer, I can stop being amused at all of this and skip straight to frustrated and disappointed?  But at this point you're just as likely to jump up and down and be upset at us for putting words into your mouth and telling you what you can and can't say, and how dare we ruin things, so honestly, 🤷‍♀️

Not to be too blunt about it, but while this is no longer a highly commercialised site with oversight from on high, it's still not a free for all where anything and anything can be said without consequence.  We go out of our way to try and keep it feeling like that's not the case, but occasionally we need to put on our mod hats for things that you'll notice.  At the end of the day, you're free to raise concerns with us, stay, or go.  But please don't insinuate we can't ever do anything again that might risk people not posting on the forums by us actually being mods because that'll just upset people and they won't want to play anymore, when what it feels like you're saying is you want to be the boss, not us, and you don't want us to do anything you don't like. 

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I'm only signing back in to give you the courtesy Nich, of letting you know I read the post you'd finally made. As for the rest of it ... if you like to see me as " jumping up and down " mad with you lot then go for it.

 

It's really just a case of fucking huge disappointment.

 

As for your painting of Leonid ( now that he won't be returning to stand up for himself ) * slow- underwhelmed -clap "

 

cya if and when I feel like it ...

 

edit: until / unless you do something about me I'll post when i feel like it

 

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On 2/20/2020 at 8:27 AM, Cybes said:

 

I am definitely a lefty according to every metric I know of, and the whole 'woke' thing afaic is a steaming pile of fresh cow pat. What I think is important is recognising that I live in a society of actual people that each matter just as much as I do, even if I disagree with them or think them idiots; I don't ' take pride' in that, it just is.

 

I prefer to ask, not assuming I know what other people think.  I find I make fewer mistakes that way.

 

I used to be in the 'left' but it's not anything like it used to be.

It has been hijacked and adopted beliefs that are foreign to traditional left thinking.

Nowadays, since we have been pushed into the 'right'.............the whack jobs of the 'left' look like fascists to us.

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27 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

the whack jobs of the 'left' look like fascists to us.

 

The fringe certainly look crazy to me as well, but not fascist. Note my .sig Mussolini quote. Considering he invented it...

 

Those crazies are no more Left than before, btw - not even as much, maybe. They're a lot more authoritarian, though, and they love their groupthink/purity-test ways and total lack of nuance.

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6 hours ago, Cybes said:

 

The fringe certainly look crazy to me as well, but not fascist. Note my .sig Mussolini quote. Considering he invented it...

 

Those crazies are no more Left than before, btw - not even as much, maybe. They're a lot more authoritarian, though, and they love their groupthink/purity-test ways and total lack of nuance.

 

You have to remember that the loons that occupy the so called 'left' these days were actually part of the 'right' and were tolerated for a while until they weren't worth putting up with.

After being tossed out, the left welcomed them with open arms, glad to get more numbers but just as many people deserted the left because they were gradually being whiteanted by the loons.

 

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3 hours ago, LogicprObe said:

You have to remember that the loons that occupy the so called 'left' these days were actually part of the 'right' and were tolerated for a while until they weren't worth putting up with.

After being tossed out, the left welcomed them with open arms, glad to get more numbers but just as many people deserted the left because they were gradually being whiteanted by the loons.

 

You seem to be using left/right as if they were formalised political parties.  AFAIAC, those are merely terms of convenience to sum up a group of ideals held by an individual; you can no more join or leave those at will than decide to be physically a child again.  Sure, call yourself that if it pleases you, but... Well, I guess that doesn't stop certain people from claiming other physical traits despite evidence to the contrary these days. 😛

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As this thread is called " Off Topic " ... I'm gonna be  a bit off topic...

 

Just notoced in the front index page of The Green Room, the last post times of various threads don't always match up with the actual time of the last post. Obviously not a life and death situ I know. I noticed cos I'm never up before 6.15 am but I'm last post on the index page for 5.36am, and when you open that It's a post made in the arvo some time  ...

so that's a weirdy one it all looks okay when I log in, but not when guesting

nothin' to see here 😉

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11 minutes ago, eveln said:

As this thread is called " Off Topic " ... I'm gonna be  a bit off topic...

 

Just notoced in the front index page of The Green Room, the last post times of various threads don't always match up with the actual time of the last post. Obviously not a life and death situ I know. I noticed cos I'm never up before 6.15 am but I'm last post on the index page for 5.36am, and when you open that It's a post made in the arvo some time  ...

so that's a weirdy one it all looks okay when I log in, but not when guesting

nothin' to see here 😉

 

Wot you need is daylight saving in QLD....................that's wot you need.

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The left used to be about looking after the bloke working at the Morris Minor factory.

Nowadays, fuck that bloke, his job, and his "uneducated family".  Shut the factory and let Mandeep at the Tata factory in Bombay have the job, the industry and the profits.

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12 minutes ago, Rybags said:

The left used to be about looking after the bloke working at the Morris Minor factory.

Nowadays, fuck that bloke, his job, and his "uneducated family".  Shut the factory and let Mandeep at the Tata factory in Bombay have the job, the industry and the profits.

 

Are you thinking the US Democratic Party is left?  'Cuz it isn't - not even a little bit.

 

This thread might be titled "Off Topic", but this really is off topic.  If we're going to continue on this road, we should take it to its own thread in TGR.

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7 minutes ago, Cybes said:

If we're going to continue on this road, we should take it to its own thread in TGR.

Ooo that'd be a mod call to make surely,  not a member's call ... lol

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5 hours ago, Rybags said:

The left used to be about looking after the bloke working at the Morris Minor factory.

Nowadays, fuck that bloke, his job, and his "uneducated family".  Shut the factory and let Mandeep at the Tata factory in Bombay have the job, the industry and the profits.

 

Or the more union extreme of "hey that guy should have more pay and rights and who cares if the company can't afford all the regulations and pay increases and folds. He will have had 6 months of a slightly better life before that happens."

 

But then the right will want to replace him with a machine they don't have to pay or send the job off shore to save money. 

 

Which is why subscribing fully one way or the other is for people who don't like jobs or sanity. 

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12 hours ago, Cybes said:

 

Are you thinking the US Democratic Party is left?  'Cuz it isn't - not even a little bit.

 

This thread might be titled "Off Topic", but this really is off topic.  If we're going to continue on this road, we should take it to its own thread in TGR.

 

I don't recall seeing many Morris Minors in the US of A.

6 hours ago, fliptopia said:

 

Or the more union extreme of "hey that guy should have more pay and rights and who cares if the company can't afford all the regulations and pay increases and folds. He will have had 6 months of a slightly better life before that happens."

 

But then the right will want to replace him with a machine they don't have to pay or send the job off shore to save money. 

 

Which is why subscribing fully one way or the other is for people who don't like jobs or sanity. 

 

Well, the car plants in Australia cur their own throats.

Every time the union asked for more money, the companies gave it to them, then hit the Government up for more subsidies.

 

When asked to stand alone, they were paying some workers nearly double the award in some cases...............then we have to foot the bill?

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13 hours ago, Cybes said:

 

Are you thinking the US Democratic Party is left?  'Cuz it isn't - not even a little bit.

 

This thread might be titled "Off Topic", but this really is off topic.  If we're going to continue on this road, we should take it to its own thread in TGR. 

If this fair comment by Cybes is the impetus for creating the new thread called " Locked Threads and Suspensions " , then I fail to see how this  ^^ subject relates to the  subject of locked threads and suspensions

... but then hey it's a first world issue

 

 

edit: there's other posts in here that really don't belong in the thread of this one's title ... again, no real biggy, but if a job is gonna be done it should get done right, yeah 😜

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I do what I can, in the time I have available.  They really didn't belong in the other thread, either, but this bunch is harder to tidy up, and wasn't my priority.

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